Why are Christians so obsessed with homosexuality?

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It's a mix of 90% concerned individuals who are genuine Christians and 10% trolls.
Lets be honest here. How many of the ones constantly going on and on about it, are people struggling with it themselves?

The last thing I do as a straight man is sit around with my buddies and talking about gay men and sodomy.

I am very suspicious of these characters who constantly talk about one sin, to the exclusion of all others.

Yet, I can go down the street and visit a brothel (legally in my country), visit a strip club and get a lap dance, whilst I get drunk off my face. I would say there are more straight men (a lot married) doing this than there are homosexuals in existence.

But how many threads are about that??
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Almost none of in my discussions with them. There is a culture shift occurring in every faucet of Western Civilization toward sexual immorality that is daily in the media and they are discussing the news items and aspects of what is occurring in the world they live in from a position of Christian epistemology.

Somehow, you've equated that to they are all homosexuals or morally blighted people for doing so. You are wrong.

Lets be honest here. How many of the ones constantly going on and on about it, are people struggling with it themselves?

The last thing I do as a straight man is sit around with my buddies and talking about gay men and sodomy.

I am very suspicious of these characters who constantly talk about one sin, to the exclusion of all others.

Yet, I can go down the street and visit a brothel (legally in my country), visit a strip club and get a lap dance, whilst I get drunk off my face. I would say there are more straight men (a lot married) doing this than there are homosexuals in existence.

But how many threads are about that??
 
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IsiahAndIsaiah

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I get what you're saying, as Christians we treat homosexuality as the ultimate sin. But really there's no such thing when you think about it.

For example, people always say have pride about yourself. But really pride is what starts wars and one of the reasons why Lucifer was cast out of heaven.

Sin is sin is sin. No matter how "big" or how "small" it is. I could go to hell for lying about taking food off of someone's plate and not repenting. So here's a question, does that make me better than Hitler?? In our eyes, the answer is yes, but in God's eyes which I think are more important, the answer is no.

How to deal with homosexual Christians? The answer is pray for then instead of condemning them and throwing the same verse in their face. I could be hounded with verses about lust and liars until I'm blue in the face. And with my complexion, that's gonna take awhile...
However, if someone prays for me then God will handle my situation, and I think that's how I want it to be handled.

I hope I answered your question or at least made it more entertaining. Good Question though.

*~IsiahAndIsaiah~*
 
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Some Christians lead chaste lives and get annoyed when social-climbing "Christians" give their blessing to homosexual lust.

[6] But from the beginning of creation, `God made them male and female.'
[7] `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
[8] and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8 RSV
 

Noel139

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I see more threads on this site about homosexuals and debates about whether they're going to heaven or hell than discussions about how good, kind and merciful our Lord and Savior is.
I believe that God created man, and when sin came in, the devil perverted many things within humanity. Satan took the concept of Christ marrying His church, and the natural order that God had intended for man to function and twisted it into something else. He does this with all good things that God had created.

I want to make two statements, though.
a) Homosexuality is just as much of a sin as anything else.
b) Just because you are not attracted to the same sex, does not mean you know what the temptation feels like.

I'm not here to try and start a debate about whether it's wrong or right - because in the eyes of God it's wrong. Bang, there you have it. Nothing else needs to be said on that.
What I want to know is why are Christians so obsessed with condemning homosexuals?

To say that you are without sin, is to make Him out to be a liar. You are unrighteous, and ungodly, but you are made righteous by the blood of Christ. Sin is sin, God does not make a hierarchy of do's and don'ts. We have ALL fallen short of the glory of our Lord Jesus.
Can you remember the last time that you thought a bad thought about someone? The last time you had a lustful thought? What about the last time you cursed someone? Are you having a hard time forgiving someone?
GUESS WHAT. You are just as bad as a homosexual, I am just as bad as a homosexual.
I struggle, you struggle. I've probably sinned in 50 different ways today and I can't even recall it. I am so unrighteous and I deserve hell, you deserve hell, the pope deserves hell. I don't care who you are, you deserve the pit, no matter what you DO and no matter what you DON'T DO, you deserve no mercy.

I want to know why Christians are so damn obsessed with homosexuals. They will overlook their own greed, their own judgement and take the salvation that they did not earn and use it to tell a gay person that they're going to hell. Do you not realize that you deserve to go to hell?
You didn't wake up one day, accept Jesus, and then not deserve separation from our father. You still deserve separation. That's what grace is, the fact that you don't deserve to be with God, but He LOVED YOU enough to DIE FOR YOU so that you could be with Him. Yet so many people are taking this and act like they are righteous.

There is so much wrong with the world today, and not only is everyone taking their eyes off of Jesus to focus on the affairs of how well everyone else's moral performance is, of all things they choose one sin out of the possible thousands of others out there that you and I are probably committing every day and then pointing gays out to be the unrighteous.

There are adulterers, men who are married and have wives who absolutely love them and they go out and have sexual relations with other women on purpose. Men who shoot up schools.
Do you not see that even though you are JUST AS BAD as THOSE PEOPLE in the eyes of God, you choose to oppress one group of struggling people who cannot help but be under what Satan has done under sin. Yes, some people are born like that, and just because you can't possibly understand what it's like to struggle with that sin does not mean it's easy to deal with. They are committing suicide every day because of Christians who would rather make a sermon or forum thread about gay people condemning them, when they don't willingly choose to be the way that they are, as opposed to someone who chooses to shoot up a bunch of 7 year olds in a school.

I have seen about 20 discussions on homosexuality during my week on this forum, and not one about the people shooting up schools or men who cheat on others. There's no "MURDERERS" threads, or "ADULTERERS" threads, or "THIEVES" threads but countless ones about gay people.

Now I'm not telling you to go and take your eyes off of gay people and start judging murderers, because it's still the same concept. You and I are just as sinful as the guy who shot up the cinema - the difference between us and him is that we have been saved by Jesus Christ for our sins.

What I want to know is why are Christians so obsessed with homosexuals? It's a sin like any other sin, we sin every day. We're no better. We have Homosexual Christians, homosexual non-Christians.
You have Christians who think bad thoughts, and non-Christians who think bad thoughts. Sin is sin.
If you believe that Jesus died for you, you are made righteous by faith the same way that Abraham was.

So please tell me why Christians cannot seem to help themselves but continuously question and attack homosexuality in particular when we are just as bad as them in other areas of our lives?
Why can't we just accept that our beautiful, merciful Lord and Savior died for us, and focus on our relationship with Him and His almighty presence as opposed to spending all our time condemning others and monitoring their lives and actions?

[HR][/HR]
Romans 3:10
as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;"
[HR][/HR]
I like you!
 

Noel139

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This made me cry! A very sensitive subject for me, as that is something I struggle with. I know what the bible says...I've read it. Does not change how I work. I am trying to change (if possible) but honestly with how some people act about it, it does not help a thing. It only makes things worse. NEVER did I actually CHOOSE to like other girls! Much to peoples disbelief....IT IS NOT A CHOICE!!!
Sweetie, you don't what the Bible says about homosexuality. It doesn't say what everybody else says it does. What it says is that Lev. 18:22 "You will not lie with a male(female) as with a woman(man): !IT! is an abomination." You are not. GOD loves you and HE wants you to have the fullest life in HIM, but you can't if you live in this abomination. As I wouldn't have if I had stayed in pornography. I understand. It doesn't feel like a choice. It is hard to see it as one, but it is a choice. HE died for you like HE died for everyone else so don't let anyone tell you different!
 
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J-Kay

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Lets be honest here. How many of the ones constantly going on and on about it, are people struggling with it themselves?

The last thing I do as a straight man is sit around with my buddies and talking about gay men and sodomy.

I am very suspicious of these characters who constantly talk about one sin, to the exclusion of all others.

Yet, I can go down the street and visit a brothel (legally in my country), visit a strip club and get a lap dance, whilst I get drunk off my face. I would say there are more straight men (a lot married) doing this than there are homosexuals in existence.

But how many threads are about that??

I pray to God you have not started that as a topic to discuss. That is sick. We have mixed
women and men together on here and it is sensitive topic. Please, don't go there.
 
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J-Kay

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#88
It is our duty as Christians to keep our Lord first in our life and learn
from Him and the Word to help others out of sin. There are so many
sins being committed we could be here until the Lord comes back, and
many will never see the sin in their own life. We sin every day. Some
big some small. May we lift each other up to the Lord in our private time
of prayer for these who are dealing with addictions? And when we
have been set free, come back in and share the Good News of deliverance.
 
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Mammachickadee

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It's the double standard of humanism that even Christians fall into sometimes. Most people in churches are obsessing over homosexuality because it's increasing on the public front in several prominent countries. There is no excuse for beign unloving toward any human, and God sees no difference between the sin of bitterness and the sin of homosexuality. It's man's pride that causes him to overlook his own sin.
 
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Mammachickadee

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Please explain again why the other laws of the OT don't count but the ones pertaining to homosexuality are still valid.
I don't typically err on the side of situational ethics, but in the case of Old Testament laws one must take into consideration certain issues of culture, public laws, and religious diversity. If we were to follow all Old Testament laws a man who hits a cow on the road would have to pay the farmer back with multiple cows; or a woman and man involved in adultery would be taken into the street and stoned; or a man who touches his wife while she's on her period would be considered unclean and would have to go through a series of steps to be cleansed again. The list is unending of obtuse Old Testament laws that are no longer in practice for obvious reasons... Because Christ already fulfilled the law and people no longer have to look toward a future promise from God for salvation but a very present gift.
 
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I pray to God you have not started that as a topic to discuss. That is sick. We have mixed
women and men together on here and it is sensitive topic. Please, don't go there.
Sensitive or no it is a valid point that every wife or husband or future wife/husband has to question at some point in their life.
 

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Stop with all your opinions and go straight to the facts:
I Corinthians 6:9-11, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of GOD? Stop being deceived: neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals 10 nor thieves nor covetous people nor drunkards nor abusive people nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of GOD. 11. And some of you WERE these things: but you have been washed, but you have been made holy, but you have been made righteous by the name of The Lord Y'shua Messiah and by the spirit of our GOD."
That sums it all up right there! Repent from all these things and enter the kingdom of GOD or don't and enter satan's village! That goes for me as well.
 
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Some Christians lead chaste lives and get annoyed when social-climbing "Christians" give their blessing to homosexual lust.

[6] But from the beginning of creation, `God made them male and female.'
[7] `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
[8] and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8 RSV
Shame about intersex people then eh...there's always gray area
 
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Shiloah

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I don't consider the Bible a source of truth or morality so it doesn't matter what you quote from it.
Then why exactly are you here?

P.S. Oh, guess he's not.
 
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Shiloah

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Lets be honest here. How many of the ones constantly going on and on about it, are people struggling with it themselves?

The last thing I do as a straight man is sit around with my buddies and talking about gay men and sodomy.

I am very suspicious of these characters who constantly talk about one sin, to the exclusion of all others.

Yet, I can go down the street and visit a brothel (legally in my country), visit a strip club and get a lap dance, whilst I get drunk off my face. I would say there are more straight men (a lot married) doing this than there are homosexuals in existence.

But how many threads are about that??
All of those things are clearly sin. I agree, they're as bad as homosexuality. This issue with homosexuality that keeps it grand-central-station as a topic is that homosexuals are continually trying to force Christian's to say it's nothing more than a lifestyle choice or gender choice or some such garbage. They self-define those that disagree with them as haters, which again, is an association they purposely set as a premise so anyone who says homosexuality is a sin is a hater, or intolerant of a minority, etc. That's why it's always an issue these days with Christians. Everyone still recognizes adultery, visiting brothels, and going to strip clubs and whatever else as sin.
 

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homosexuality is a scapegoat for a lot of christians.
 
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In the New Testament Romans [SUP]26 [/SUP]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [SUP]27 [/SUP]In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
 

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Sweetie, you don't what the Bible says about homosexuality. It doesn't say what everybody else says it does. What it says is that Lev. 18:22 "You will not lie with a male(female) as with a woman(man): !IT! is an abomination." You are not. GOD loves you and HE wants you to have the fullest life in HIM, but you can't if you live in this abomination. As I wouldn't have if I had stayed in pornography. I understand. It doesn't feel like a choice. It is hard to see it as one, but it is a choice. HE died for you like HE died for everyone else so don't let anyone tell you different!


I haven't seen a SINGLE person on ANY thread here say that the sin of homosexuality will exclude someone from salvation. Why are you building this strawman? Homosexuals, like ALL sinners, can accept Jesus and be saved, but that requires an admitting of the sin AND repentance of it. Being "born with" the desire for homosexuality is totally irrelevant. We are ALL "born with" various sinful desires. Refusing to acknowledge that those desires are sinful and not repenting of them IS the issue. Also, the Bible says more about homosexuality than just Lev. 18: 22. Romans 1:24-27 lay out very strong language against lesbianism and homosexuality:

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [SUP]25 [/SUP]They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [SUP]27 [/SUP]In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.