Why do some Christians still have male babies circumcised?

They don't even give babies a simple pain killer. They just strap the boy down and start cutting away. I watched my son react to the pain. I don't ever want to watch that again.

... and circumcision isn't 'approved by God' for christians too.

If I have six apples and I eat two, how many apples do I have left? That will prove that I am right and you are wrong.

It's approved for PEOPLE, not just Jewish people, but ALL PEOPLE. Duh.
even needed.
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Jews are obligated to circumcise their infants, christians are not. So there's no necessity for us to do so too.

PTSD in connection to circumcisions? ;

Okaay...

I've been a doctor for more than 3 years, and i have done countless circumcisions. I've never had any patient (or patient's parents for the young ones) follow-up to me with any PTSD complaints and such.

The circumcision that the Bible speaks about is, indeed, focused on the circumcision of one's heart, choosing a life that practices GOD's holiness, instead of sinful living.

The removal of the foreskin, or cutting it up at least to liberate the penile head is for health and hygienic purposes. The smegma needs to be removed (very foul-odored and teeming with bacteria) to avoid infections in that area.

As for a child possibly not "surviving" the stress of a circumcision procedure without having any trauma XD well, in my experience, if the parents themselves don't understand the procedure, and therefore, fail to encourage their sons properly, further aggravating the situation by transmitting their own fears to their sons who are to be circumcised/being circumcised, there lies the problem. The boy will become even more afraid, and will find the procedure as more of a torture activity instead of a health necessity. In this case, i believe the parents need to be educated and informed about the procedure and why it is being done. If they brought their son for circumcision half-heartedly, i refuse to perform the procedure, since i i know that a lot of drama will ensue XD totally unnecessary.

In our country, having a circumcision in males is actually a "rite of passage into manhood". Any boy 8 years old and above who have not been circumcised usually get teased and end up being called gay. It's not a good thing, i know. But it implies that i boy who refuses to get circumcised has no courage at all. To some extent, i agree to that. The pain is actually very tolerable, virtually non-existent during the procedure, even if it's done with the patient awake and using only local anaesthesia, of course. So if a boy couldn't "endure" such a simple, practically painless procedure, i do wonder about the boy's upbringing. Whether he is being spoiled rotten, or being trained to become tougher to, at least, bear with painful or scary experiences one can go through in life.

If the boy has a phobia at the sight of blood, that's a different story. I find that some kids (and even parents) are afraid of seeing blood, which would make the procedure, again, a dramatic event XD but i do my best to re-assure them before, during, and after the procedure. If they profess that they really can't go through with it, i never force them. But when they agreed, i patiently "walk them" through the procedure, as short as it may be. When they see that the bleeding is well controlled after suturing the cut skin, and that it's done fairly quick and painlessly, they all just laugh at their initial panic XD and they proudly call their newly-circumcised boy a young man.

LOL! No, tattoos are not approved by God. So no. If they were and had some kind of benefit besides cosmetic, then most likely yes. But that is not the case. Next argument please.

It is my understanding that God used the Jews to show us His principles, and in doing that God had them do certain everyday things that was symbolic of those principles like circumcision for putting the mind and heart on spiritual things instead of fleshly. We are grafted in, as it says in Romans. When the gospel was given to the gentiles, we were excused from doing these symbolic things and Paul made a lot of what they symbolized. So we aren't obliged to do them, only to do what they symbolize, but we aren't forbidden. So many are doing them for they are from God, they lead the way to the spiritual, and we want to go the extra mile for the Lord, understanding that it is what they symbolize that God looks at, the reminders God gave are only reminders of the real obligations.

So many are doing them for they are from God, they lead the way to the spiritual, and we want to go the extra mile for the Lord, understanding that it is what they symbolize that God looks at, the reminders God gave are only reminders of the real obligations.

I do not see the connection between allowing your kid to be circumcised and going the extra mile for God.
I wonder how many parents think of going an extra mile for God when they are getting their male children cut. Why then do atheists do it to their children? I'm of the impression that most people (Christians and Atheists) do it because it seems to be the right thing to do- more for cultural reasons than spiritual- and not much thought is given.

Well friend that's not what we are saying, actually the opposite. If God used circumcision back then with the Jewish nation, it must mean something other than a sign of Abraham and his children. Like eating pork, even though pigs were created, God told us not to eat it, most likely for health reasons if you look at it with the same perspective.

it must mean something other than a sign of Abraham and his children

Like eating pork, even though pigs were created, God told us not to eat it, most likely for health reasons if you look at it with the same perspective.

... and circumcision isn't 'approved by God' for christians too.

PTSD in connection to circumcisions? ;

Okaay...

I've been a doctor for more than 3 years, and i have done countless circumcisions. I've never had any patient (or patient's parents for the young ones) follow-up to me with any PTSD complaints and such.

The circumcision that the Bible speaks about is, indeed, focused on the circumcision of one's heart, choosing a life that practices GOD's holiness, instead of sinful living.

The removal of the foreskin, or cutting it up at least to liberate the penile head is for health and hygienic purposes. The smegma needs to be removed (very foul-odored and teeming with bacteria) to avoid infections in that area.

As for a child possibly not "surviving" the stress of a circumcision procedure without having any trauma XD well, in my experience, if the parents themselves don't understand the procedure, and therefore, fail to encourage their sons properly, further aggravating the situation by transmitting their own fears to their sons who are to be circumcised/being circumcised, there lies the problem. The boy will become even more afraid, and will find the procedure as more of a torture activity instead of a health necessity. In this case, i believe the parents need to be educated and informed about the procedure and why it is being done. If they brought their son for circumcision half-heartedly, i refuse to perform the procedure, since i i know that a lot of drama will ensue XD totally unnecessary.

In our country, having a circumcision in males is actually a "rite of passage into manhood". Any boy 8 years old and above who have not been circumcised usually get teased and end up being called gay. It's not a good thing, i know. But it implies that i boy who refuses to get circumcised has no courage at all. To some extent, i agree to that. The pain is actually very tolerable, virtually non-existent during the procedure, even if it's done with the patient awake and using only local anaesthesia, of course. So if a boy couldn't "endure" such a simple, practically painless procedure, i do wonder about the boy's upbringing. Whether he is being spoiled rotten, or being trained to become tougher to, at least, bear with painful or scary experiences one can go through in life.

If the boy has a phobia at the sight of blood, that's a different story. I find that some kids (and even parents) are afraid of seeing blood, which would make the procedure, again, a dramatic event XD but i do my best to re-assure them before, during, and after the procedure. If they profess that they really can't go through with it, i never force them. But when they agreed, i patiently "walk them" through the procedure, as short as it may be. When they see that the bleeding is well controlled after suturing the cut skin, and that it's done fairly quick and painlessly, they all just laugh at their initial panic XD and they proudly call their newly-circumcised boy a young man.

This is SO much more info about circumcision than I EVER wanted to know!!!


I am so glad this happened when I was a baby.

If it happened as an adult, I'd have constant nightmares...
especially if it was a female doctor aiming a knife down there.

: )

Haha. My uncle is a surgeon and I was scanning through their photo album and saw a picture of man around his 40s who underwent circumcision.
I think it was brave of him. Lol. And Azurefire is right about part wherein a guy is ridiculed when he hasn't been circumcised by the time he reached puberty. Men have this perception that it's a manly thing to do which is true. Lol. But then again circumcision is done for hygienic purposes and also it should also be done at an early age because as you get older your foreskin hardens. I dont know the rationale behind that. Ask Dr.Azurefire for more precise answers. Lol.