Why do some Christians still have male babies circumcised?

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colalella2891 said:
Ridiculous? Yes. Lol.

I agree with the last part you said, but the top? Meh. :)

I've met parents who spank their kids with 2x4's, belts, etc. So don't kid yourself, spanking can get pretty painful. I was mostly spanked with a flat, wooden stick. It hurt. A lot. At least with circumcision, it's done only once, and it's usually done as soon as you were born. You don't remember it!!! I know I don't, I never think about my circumcision... I mean seriously...

Spanking is done throughout the entire childhood, until maybe 12 or 13... so some kids get spanked at least hundreds of times. I certainly remember that.

And your 'hand digits' are way more critical than your foreskin... I mean come on.
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Our fleshly ways can infect our soul and the body but as the foreskin can causes infection to just the body. But we should focus on our soul.

Matthew 10:28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


Foreskin swelling can be a symptom of phimosis, paraphimosis, or balanitis. There are a number of factors that can cause or contribute to swelling of the foreskin, including infection, poor hygiene, contact dermatitis, and sexual activity. Foreskin swelling doesn't always require treatment, but it can, in some cases, constitute a genuine medical emergency. Swelling of the foreskin affects only uncircumcised men and boys.
What Are the Common Causes of Foreskin Swelling?


I don't think that you want to make up accuses of having an headache while that's not the problem, So God was just helping out the flesh also to be at its best performance.
 
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Why do some Christians still have male babies circumcised when New Testament scripture says it is of no value? Here in the United States circumcision is widely practiced among Catholic and Protestant Christians. Some claim it is needed for health, but I think uncircumcised men will disagree with that. Is it done for cosmetic reasons?
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I think circumcision is a good idea.
 
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danschance said:
So you are argueing it is OK to give children pain?

Yes, spanking is meant to give a child some "discomfort" that is temporary. Spanking a child is done for a reason and a purpose. The pain of circumcision is useless. Circumcision is almost purely cosmetic. We as Christians are actually told not to do it any longer in scripture. It is nothing more than un-scriptural mutilation without a purpose.
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So you're saying beating children for years is a necessary thing, when snipping their foreskin at birth which takes a moment, isn't??? Okay.

And I disagree that it's cosmetic... I don't see that at all. I see a nose-job or a boob-job as cosmetic surgery, but having a big nose or small breasts won't cause any infections or anything.
 
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And just for the record, I wouldn't call spanking "discomfort". It's pain. I once heard a parent say, "I beat his butt until it was bright red!" I wouldn't call that just discomfort...

I'm personally not sure if i'm pro-spanking or not... After I did research on it for a speech I had to give, I was against it. But many christians do it so idk.
 
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colalella2891 said:
And just for the record, I wouldn't call spanking "discomfort". It's pain. I once heard a parent say, "I beat his butt until it was bright red!" I wouldn't call that just discomfort...

I'm personally not sure if i'm pro-spanking or not... After I did research on it for a speech I had to give, I was against it. But many christians do it so idk.
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Spanking is one issue.
Mutilating a boys penis is another.
They are not linked.
 
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danschance said:
Spanking is one issue.
Mutilating a boys penis is another.
They are not linked.
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I know that... But they both cause pain to children. That's the point I was trying to make.
 
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Taking into consideration the fact that 80% of the world's males are uncut, do we still say that all babies must be circumcised for health or hygiene reasons?

Sorry for the the re-post, but what are your thoughts everyone?​

 
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colalella2891 said:
And just for the record, I wouldn't call spanking "discomfort". It's pain. I once heard a parent say, "I beat his butt until it was bright red!" I wouldn't call that just discomfort...

I'm personally not sure if i'm pro-spanking or not... After I did research on it for a speech I had to give, I was against it. But many christians do it so idk.
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Spanking and circumcision are two different topics. Let us please not confuse the two.

I know that some parents sin when they vent their anger on their little children in the form of spanking. They thereby misuse their authority. I have personally known parents who have crossed their limits. On the other hand, I have never had to spank my son (thank God!). As a little child, he was an angel. Now, I know that there are some children who are very stubborn and may need an occasional spank. When you become a dad, colallela, you may understand this aspect better.

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.(Prov 23:13 )

 
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onlinebuddy said:
Taking into consideration the fact that 80% of the world's males are uncut, do we still say that all babies must be circumcised for health or hygiene reasons?

Sorry for the the re-post, but what are your thoughts everyone?​
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Not necessary, but the people of those times weren't educated as we are now. But there's a new study that have came out about circumcision can help to prevent HIV. If that is so, that means that a lot of the educated people in this world that is not cleaning behind themselves.


The male foreskin—an unassuming flap of skin eagerly discarded in some cultures—has taken center stage in recent debates over HIV prevention. Although researchers now agree that its removal is a proved method to reduce HIV spread in heterosexual men, the picture for homosexual men remains a bit foggy.
Fact or Fiction: Does circumcision help prevent HIV infection?: Scientific American
 
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4enlightment said:
Not necessary, but the people of those times weren't educated as we are now. But there's a new study that have came out about circumcision can help to prevent HIV. If that is so, that means that a lot of the educated people in this world that is not cleaning behind themselves.


The male foreskin—an unassuming flap of skin eagerly discarded in some cultures—has taken center stage in recent debates over HIV prevention. Although researchers now agree that its removal is a proved method to reduce HIV spread in heterosexual men, the picture for homosexual men remains a bit foggy.
Fact or Fiction: Does circumcision help prevent HIV infection?: Scientific American
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Maybe these facts are true, I don't know. However, these are recent findings, I guess.
How many parents who have circumcised their babies even knew these facts? I guess none (or maybe a few). Therefore this cannot be the actual reason why people in the U.S. circumcise their kids. I still feel it is a cultural practice.
 
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onlinebuddy said:
Spanking and circumcision are two different topics. Let us please not confuse the two.

I know that some parents sin when they vent their anger on their little children in the form of spanking. They thereby misuse their authority. I have personally known parents who have crossed their limits. On the other hand, I have never had to spank my son (thank God!). As a little child, he was an angel. Now, I know that there are some children who are very stubborn and may need an occasional spank. When you become a dad, colallela, you may understand this aspect better.

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.(Prov 23:13 )
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I don't confuse the two. I was just stating that many parents who didn't circumcise their kids because they didn't want to hurt them, still spank their kids, which is hurting them anyway. Seems a bit off to me. But that's just my opinion, and I didn't mean to get off-topic. That's my fault.
 
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colalella2891 said:
I don't confuse the two. I was just stating that many parents who didn't circumcise their kids because they didn't want to hurt them, still spank their kids, which is hurting them anyway. Seems a bit off to me. But that's just my opinion, and I didn't mean to get off-topic. That's my fault.
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Colalella,
I guess most parents who did not circumcise their kids were not even thinking about pain as the reason. They do not circumcise their babies because circumcision is not necessary. These very same parents do not hesitate to vaccinate their children, which also causes some level of pain, with after effects in some children. I have read that a baby in the U.S. receives at least 24 vaccine injections by the age of two (now let's not discuss about vaccines). So, pain is not the issue. It's just that it is not necessary.
 
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For the same reasons some people circumcise girls in those other backward countries - ignorance and superstition.

And don't underestimate the influence of the Pharisees. A little Judaising can go a long way.
 
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