"You Shall Not Pass!" -- Let's Talk About Passwords, Online Security, and Surviving in a Digital World.

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Cold

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Me and passwords have a bad history. I can't even recall how many accounts I have forgotten a password for. I'm sure one day I'll forget the password for this site and then just never return. Ain't nobody got time to make a new account!
 

seoulsearch

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Me and passwords have a bad history. I can't even recall how many accounts I have forgotten a password for. I'm sure one day I'll forget the password for this site and then just never return. Ain't nobody got time to make a new account!
You're going to have to give us some clues to help you remember, because we like having you around. :)
 

Cold

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You're going to have to give us some clues to help you remember, because we like having you around. :)
I give myself plenty of clues and yet I somehow still forget my passwords lol. I usually use 1 of 3 different words followed by one of my favorite numbers. Apparently I can forget favorites very easily. :(
 

tourist

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I just use the same password for everything. I make sure I don't have to care if somebody hacks it.
I use variations of basically the same password. I also have a master list for all of my passwords and those of my wife too.
 

Susanna

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So let me get this straight:

1 Your Grandma's cat wants to be president.

2. Your personal guardian gator wants to be governor.

Ma'am, I'm beginning to think you have insider connections. 🤨
We need to get things straightened out here. Dave’s my mom’s cat. He’d fit right in with the crooked authorities of this state. The gator is a bit of sissy gator and maybe not cut out for that kind of duty. He practically handed my password to you.🫵🏻😂
 

Magenta

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I understand that a lot of people avoid a lot of online accounts, and I think that's wonderful for those
who can manage it. I resisted online accounts for a very long time, but then realized I was going to be
spending $15 a month on stamps to mail in bills, and I no longer trust the postal system for doing so.
Two words: phone banking.

:D
 

Gideon300

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Hey Everyone,

First of all, we can't start this discussion without a word from good ol' Gandalf --

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"You Shall Not Pass!" -- Sometimes it certainly feels that way.

This thread is inspired by the fact that I am constantly having to open new online accounts (most often medical,) make up new passwords, and then somehow keep track of them all while maintaining their security. I have finally gotten to a point where I have to use an online password service that will generate, store, and fill out passwords automatically instead of me having to look them up every time.

I understand that a lot of people avoid a lot of online accounts, and I think that's wonderful for those who can manage it. I resisted online accounts for a very long time, but then realized I was going to be spending $15 a month on stamps to mail in bills, and I no longer trust the postal system for doing so.

I've been a loyal United States Postal Customer all my life, sending written letters and packages since I was a kid -- but the past few years have been terrible. My letters have been long-delayed, crinkled or damaged (one arrived with half the envelope torn off,) and some never arrived at all. It's gotten to a point where I have to text my friends when I send them something so they actively know to look for it. Mail theft has also gotten so bad that the last time I read, even the postal service itself tells you not to send checks through the mail!

I've listened to YouTube videos about how it is virtually impossible to keep your information offline unless you don't have a phone number, don't have any kind of accounts, and never apply for anything. I know a few people who don't have any crucial accounts online but they generally don't have many bills or are able to pay in person, never go to the doctor (so no medical accounts needed,) and don't have jobs that require them logging into a system.

I grew up in an era where every year, the phone company dumped a humongous directory on your driveway of everyone's name, phone number, and address (and I've seen some places that still do this.) But now we all try to protect our personal information -- even though it gets recorded, sold, and put online whenever we're forced to fill out a form.

How do you manage your passwords, security, and privacy, especially online?

* Do you come up with new passwords by yourself? How do you keep track of them all?

* Do you have any tips for keeping your number of online accounts to a minimum and protecting your private information?

* Do you pay bills through the mail rather than online? Have you had any problems with payments being late or never getting there?


For myself, I never fill out anything on a form that isn't required (if it says "optional", I always leave it blank,) and I never fill out my social security number unless it's absolutely necessary.

How about all of you?

I would really like to know how other people are dealing with this.
With much difficulty. I also avoid opening accounts and I never agree to my credit card details to be stored. For many accounts that I can't avoid, I use Firefox password generator and save them. Anything involving money, I create a password but do not save it. I pay bills through my online banking. This has become less risky as my bank has finally improved it's account verification system.

I've not used mail for payments for years. I owed the tax man some money, sent a cheque but it never arrived. I cancelled the cheque, at a cost to me, and ditched my cheque book.

I don't know that there is a foolproof system. I was scammed once, by a magazine advertising fraud. They fooled me once, but I learned and they could not trick me next time around. At least it was a relatively small amount, but it still stung.
 

Deuteronomy

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How do you manage your passwords, security, and privacy, especially online?
* Do you come up with new passwords by yourself? How do you keep track of them all?
* Do you have any tips for keeping your number of online accounts to a minimum and protecting your private information?
* Do you pay bills through the mail rather than online? Have you had any problems with payments being late or never getting there?
This stuff is VERY important to me, so please consider what I am about to say to you, and to you alone, to be TOP SECRECT!!

My first, super-secret, password was "passwor_", and then it became "Passwor_" when they started requiring a capital letter (if you want to know what the missing letter is, I guess I can tell you, but only you, and ONLY if you ask me via a private message .. because you can NEVER be too careful).

Then they messed up EVERYTHING I had going by demanding more than 8 letters, as well as insisting on the use of "special" characters, like a number, which is when I just gave up and went back snail mail, a dial telephone, shopping "in store" instead of "online" and, last but not least, paying for stuff with green paper that has something printed on it (didn't we used to call it $cash$?).

Then came the pandemic........................:eek::cry::mad:

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Deuteronomy

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OK, reply #2 .. my actual reply ;)

First off, I joked about all of this in my last post, but actually, it's not a joking matter (at least not to several of my IT friends who refuse to buy anything online, because they don't believe that their personal/credit info can be properly secured from people who know what they know).

That said, I manage my online security (as best I can) in several ways, starting with keeping printed copies of my accounts and their corresponding usernames and passwords in a locked file drawer at home (NEVER as a file on any computer that is hooked up to the Internet).

I also keep a second printed copy of the same in a locked file drawer at my office (in case of fire at one of the locations).

I've always come up with my own passwords (which are familiar to me in some way and therefore easy for me to remember, typically .. and I always have the printed copies if I don't :geek:).

Finally, wife pays our bills, principally over the phone, but sometimes via snail mail (many are set up to be paid automatically now, too, which helps w/security and makes things easy). On the rare occasion that I do pay a bill, I almost always do so online (which my wife rarely, if ever does). In the end, we have rarely, if ever, had any problems with security or getting bills paid (I am happy to report), no matter the payment method.

Oh, the other thing that I've done that helps me with security was setting up all of my credit cards to send me a text whenever a purchase is made. On top of that, all of our credit cards can be frozen on my iPhone via each of the CC's apps, and once I do so, they cannot be used again until I unfreeze them.
 

Lynx

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Two words: phone banking.

:D
wots phone banking? :p

My bank has this little building downtown where I go when I want to put money in or take it out. Nice people there.
 

Magenta

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wots phone banking? :p

My bank has this little building downtown where I go when I want to put money in or take it out. Nice people there.
I have this even smaller plastic card that allows me to access the funds in my bank without ever having to go to the bank. Most things like my pay cheque and pension etc are auto deposit, and some of my bills are auto debit. The rest of my bills I pay by phone... using the number associated with that little plastic card I have. That little plastic card is accepted by every single merchant, restauranteur, bakery, etc etc. I can check my balance and transactions at any time from the convenience of my living room.
 

Lynx

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I have this even smaller plastic card that allows me to access the funds in my bank without ever having to go to the bank. Most things like my pay cheque and pension etc are auto deposit, and some of my bills are auto debit. The rest of my bills I pay by phone... using the number associated with that little plastic card I have. That little plastic card is accepted by every single merchant, restauranteur, bakery, etc etc. I can check my balance and transactions at any time from the convenience of my living room.
Yeah it IS convenient, and someday I may use all that. There may come a time when I do a lot more traveling than I do now. Who knows?

That little building downtown sure is secure though, for this time of my life when I'm right here near it all the time.
 

Magenta

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Yeah it IS convenient, and someday I may use all that. There may come a time when I do a lot more traveling than I do now. Who knows?

That little building downtown sure is secure though, for this time of my life when I'm right here near it all the time.
@seoulsearch mentioned the cost of postage for paying bills by mail, but now certain things like phone bills and bank statements are being charged to your account if you want a paper copy sent to you by mail. The "cost of doing business" is being passed on to the consumer. I suppose it always was in one way or another, and the little guy often gets stuck with far more than he is aware of. Oh, my rent and monthly car insurance payments are auto debit also. I don't have to pay for cheques any more, or worry about late payments, fees, or penalties.
 

seoulsearch

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@seoulsearch mentioned the cost of postage for paying bills by mail, but now certain things like phone bills and bank statements are being charged to your account if you want a paper copy sent to you by mail. The "cost of doing business" is being passed on to the consumer. I suppose it always was in one way or another, and the little guy often gets stuck with far more than he is aware of. Oh, my rent and monthly car insurance payments are auto debit also. I don't have to pay for cheques any more, or worry about late payments, fees, or penalties.
Yes!

I once had a trash removal company that charged $5 for every paper statement.

I use a cashback credit card for any bills that will allow me to use it (I know, Dave Ramsey would banish me for this.) But I've always budgeted and pay off the bill every month, so I never worry about paying outrageous interest fees, and I get money back on bills I have to pay anyway.

But many companies have caught on to this and will charge ridiculous fees (a certain percentage of the bill or a flat fee, like $5) as a "convenience" charge, so I always have to ask before setting up the payments.
 

seoulsearch

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Oh, the other thing that I've done that helps me with security was setting up all of my credit cards to send me a text whenever a purchase is made. On top of that, all of our credit cards can be frozen on my iPhone via each of the CC's apps, and once I do so, they cannot be used again until I unfreeze them.
This is another great point.

I don't know about other countries, but in the USA, there are 3 major credit reporting companies and once a year, you can get a free copy of you credit reports from annualcreditreport.com. You can get all your reports at once, or stagger them, getting one from each company at different points of the year (at least, the last time I checked -- not sure if they've changed this.)

If you notice any discrepancies, you can start by contacting these companies to work on corrections.

You can also request to have your credit report frozen -- you won't be able to apply for any type of credit, such as new credit cards or loans unless you contact the companies and unlock it with the mile-long PIN number they give you.

But in the meantime, it will make it almost impossible for anyone else to try to open a credit card in your name, which can be a problem if credit card companies send you a pre-approved application in your name (someone else can open the card in your name, but have it sent to their own address.)

Thanks to everyone for sharing all these great tips!!

I always like talks about how to keep spiritually healthy, but I like hearing how other believers keep themselves safe in this life as well. :)