I Believe In Evolution and the Bible

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PennEd

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Alright, if I murdered one of your family members and the police found me with your family member's blood soaking through my shirt, would you say that I should be let go because the police didn't witness me doing it? Let's say the police have found the blood to have your relative's DNA and that's how they conclude I'm the killer. It would be proven that I am guilty not because anyone was there to witness the crime, but because forensic science showed I was guilty. The observations are on the results of something, not the progression of something. So yes, Evolution is definitely science.

No, Evolution is not some random philosophy. It is a large theory. A theory in this case is a large collection of studies that point to one thing. I'm sure you believe in gravity and cells although both of these things are scientific theories. Evolution is not mere conjecture.

Umm.. I think you are confusing Laws and Theories.

Gravity for instance, is a repeatable, observable, predictable Law. Whereas the the DEFINITIVE CAUSE for gravity is theoretical. Scientists can't explain why matter doesn't just fly apart. Of course Christians know the reason:[h=1]Colossians 1:17 New International Version (NIV)17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.[/h]
The exact OPPOSITE is true for evolution. You are conflating the CAUSE for evolution as fact, yet science has NEVER been able to repeat NOR observe evolution in action. Only taking END result and theorizing how this end result came to be.

BTW. Even secular, honest scientists are today moving away from evolution as they see crushing evidence of digital design in everything from the amino acids and proteins of a single strand of DNA, to the Earth itself and the innumerable factors that has placed it in the "goldie locks" zone of the universe.
 
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Waggles

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DNA disproves evolution and upholds Creation
purposeful design and engineering

[video]https://youtu.be/O1dqC_VmqeU[/video]


 

LaurieB

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You do realize that most Christians actually accept Evolution, right? I'm not saying that a well established piece of science that is supporting in all branches of science is wrong. You are.
Really? I did not know that.
 

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Also, that's a bold claim coming from a former drug addict. It seems like you can believe that you can find God and change but Darwinists are just to far gone. You are an insult to anyone who is gifted with a brain because of the way you use it.
He's not an insult to me and I have been gifted with a brain. The story he has told in his posts is an amazing testament in perseverance and determination in dramatically improving his life by allowing the power and grace of God to work through him. What's your story? It's probably a short read and definitely not a must read.
 

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Everything that has a beginning must have a cause basis for existence. The universe has a beginning given the impossibility of infinite regression this universe exists so it has a cause and the cause maker must be bigger than itself.

Interesting to note that the long touted claim that a grey moth in England changed, evolved, into a black moth during the industrial age and the use of coal has been proven to be not scientifically sound.

Just how does the symbiotic relationship between the termite who cannot digest wood fiber acquire a bacteria which cannot live in an oxygen environment to live in its gut to digest the wood fiber so the termite can live? Which organism evolved first. The termite unable to digest wood fiber or the bacteria which cannot live in an oxygen environment? How did they evolve separately to become dependent on one another?

For the cause of Christ
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Reading the KJV is not equitable to putting faith and commitment into
a man-made atheistic pseudo religion commonly called
'The Theory Of Evolution.'




Denying the truth of God's word and his declared creation is
a pretty specific lie.
Denying the nature and power of God [Jesus actually] to create all
things according to his purpose is a great lie.
The Bible declares that Jesus created things that exist in our world and
universe out of nothing - by the power of his mind and voice to speak
things both inanimate and living into being.

Darwinism and evolution refute this and refer to Creation as myths
and fairytales for the unlearned and simpletons who need "religion"
to explain the universe.

God is about the truth and it behoves mankind to seek out the truth.
For in the truth of the gospel and Jesus as our one and only Saviour
there is our salvation.

there is no salvation through Charles Darwin nor Stephen Hawking
nor Richard Dawkins.
He declares faith in Christ! He’s not a Darwinist. He just thinks maybe God uses evolution as a creation tool. Your distain for anyone who doesn’t believe as you do is evident.
 

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He declares faith in Christ! He’s not a Darwinist. He just thinks maybe God uses evolution as a creation tool. Your distain for anyone who doesn’t believe as you do is evident.
Anyone can declare faith in Jesus.
But in reading Wintry_Rose's posts there is a great deal of rudeness
and belligerent insulting.
He has never posted any evidence for the truth of his Christian faith.
He has never posted on the substance of his doctrinal beliefs.
He has displayed no fruit of the Spirit, but his carnality in being rude
to others. And he is well versed with his insults.

And you defend a Bible basher who is clearly lost in doctrine and truth.
Attacking fellow Christians who wish to warn the likes of Wintry_Rose
that their faith in evolution is both unscriptural and of unbelief.
God, not me, has disdain (as you put it) for those who do not believe
in the truth of his word and are obedient to it.

Christians who claim that God uses evolution as a tool of creation are
playing with fire. It is having it both ways; staying populist with the
world and its false sciences and having some pretence at believing in
God to claim Christian faith.

They are denying God as Creator and the truth before men.
Jesus warns us of this and declares that he will deny such before
his Father and the angels.
Should you not be warning Wintry_Rose?

So what do we do?
You would allow for Wintry_Rose to travel down the broad avenue
to perdition.
I would tell him he is on the wrong road and needs to examine himself
and his faith against the Word of God.
That is not disdaining others, that is love.
 

Waggles

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Some on this site obviously support, believe and have faith
in the notion, or rather false doctrine, that Jesus uses evolution
to guide Creation and to bring about this living planet.

Complete nonsense and unscriptural. Unbelief in the Word.
Unbelief of Genesis. A denial of God as a God of creation by
his unlimited power and ability by his will.

We all know the usual stories of evolution concerning the supposed
development of first the solar system, then the Earth, then cellular
life forms, then plant life, then oxygen, then this, then that follows ...

But this is not how God in Genesis 1 declares it:
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of
the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding
seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself,
upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his
kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind:
and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:

so here we have all plant life by the third day

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs,
and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light
upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light
from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis 1:

Hence, Wintry_Rose and others who love their fables about
evolution need to explain how this works through evolution.
First plants, then sunlight !!
How does Richard Dawkins explain this?

Usually they call God [Jesus] a liar and the Word of God
a lie. Primitive myth stories invented by previously ignorant
story tellers.

You cannot serve two masters!

And yes I do disdain the preaching of a false gospel that
will lead people to perdition rather than salvation.
Thank God I care.
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“Judge not, lest you be judged.” Maybe you too are ignorant to a popularized untruth. At the separation of sheep and goats, both thought they were saved. Where’s the love, Waggles?
Hungry, too many Christians as well as people of the world use that verse but it is referring to hypocrisy not against utilizing righteous judgment, which a Christian can do through the word of God and in love and truth without being judgmental. If you read that whole passage that is what it is referring to, so please stop using that verse it is overly quoted and misused out of its original context. Sadly, there are people who call themselves Christians but are not, based on Waggle's posts and his attitude in said posts, he is not hateful and is a Christian. In fact what he is saying is pretty much the same as what Jesus said in the gospels. Also, if you have a problem with judgment, was it right for John the Baptist to tell Herod to stop sleeping with his brother's wife and having a romantic relationship with her? Or for Jeremiah to warn the people of Jerusalem about the coming judgment on that city by the Babylonians and their exile from it? I am sorry but you are wrong about this, please rethink your thoughts on this. He is not ignorant of that verse. Thanks. God bless. :)
 
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Hungry, too many Christians as well as people of the world use that verse but it is referring to hypocrisy not against utilizing righteous judgment, which a Christian can do through the word of God and in love and truth without being judgmental. If you read that whole passage that is what it is referring to, so please stop using that verse it is overly quoted and misused out of its original context. Sadly, there are people who call themselves Christians but are not, based on Waggle's posts and his attitude in said posts, he is not hateful and is a Christian. In fact what he is saying is pretty much the same as what Jesus said in the gospels. Also, if you have a problem with judgment, was it right for John the Baptist to tell Herod to stop sleeping with his brother's wife and having a romantic relationship with her? Or for Jeremiah to warn the people of Jerusalem about the coming judgment on that city by the Babylonians and their exile from it? I am sorry but you are wrong about this, please rethink your thoughts on this. He is not ignorant of that verse. Thanks. God bless. :)
You are in error. Read post 75. First of all I believe Wintry is incorrect about evolution. However, almost immediately he separated himself from the Darwinists and professed faith in Christ and belief in God. Whether he is incorrect about his theories regarding creation, this is not a damning offence. When Waggles calls out for “judgement and destruction of all darwinists” and declares, “there is no room in the kingdom of God for those who believe a lie” it is concerning. Christ calls us to love our enemies, not pass judgement on them. We are supposed to correct fellow believers not condemn them. Since all of us were/are sinners, we all count on the blood of Christ for reconciliation. It is not perfect understanding of scripture, and an ability to detect lies that grants us access to the Father and freedom from bondage. Waggles was passing judgements and that is exactly what that verse warns about. I was trying to open the eyes of Waggles to the fact that his demeanour was unChristlike. Even if Wintry_Rose was a Darwinist, it is still our command to love him, not insult and pass judgement. Thank you for your post. You went about correcting a brother with humility and using scripture. I still believe I was correct in my assessment and application of the verse. He was being a hypocrite.
 

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Since this thread got started on a bad note and just went downhill from there with name calling, insults and condescension it is now closed.
 
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