Look who's here!

Thanks Blue!

That's why I don't live in Australia . Thank you!

Thanks Deade!

Welcome back Tinuviel! You know the drill, but we've added a hammer and pliers since you left.

Lol thanks for the welcome, Dino!

Ooh that's pretty! Thanks so much sister

Welcome back, Tinuviel! It's good to see you again, dear!

Thanks so much brother!

hehe thanks for the backstory. I have so many snippets from the book in mind that are only cued by some trigger...

Lmk if you wanna continue to discuss...It's quite fun piecing together random bits and stringing back together old stories. Makes my own stories essentially.


It was something akin to reading scripture in that it spanned such a long period of time. Not in authority mind you, as I found it rather lacking in that aspect. Less so than Narnia.

Except if you factor in the fall of the city of numenor and sauron (them living to 900 years ish) and relate it to the flood.

There are a few parallels with the great eye but anyway. I enjoyed it. Hopefully you are doing well and enjoy your time back.

Get out of BDF when the getting is good...and get in when you have a good barrier up.



And enjoy the other forums again where people are a little less "fight pit". I think it's a sparring ring, but I can see how that would not be everyone's cup of tea...depending on their walk.

Yes i remember your name. Welcome back Tinuviel..

Thank you!!

Tolkien was Catholic, so some of his worldview (which entered heavily into the books), I disagree with. Looking more into Narnia, there are some things I disagree with there too. I appreciate the depth of Tolkien's worldview. I appreciate how he can incapsulate in words so many concepts of the Christian faith. One of my very favourites is how God creates everything, sin enters the world, God is not responsible for sin, and yet God's plans are not frustrated by sin. This is in the music of the Maiar, close-ish to the beginning of The Silmarillion. And of course the corruption and flood. Other bits as well, but you really have to dig for them. It's not really fair to compare Lewis and Tolkien because they had different objectives and were trying to write very different books. Lewis, as a protestant, had an idea of the priesthood of all believers, whereas Tolkien thought "preaching" should be left to the priest. Therefore Lewis' works have much clearer connections to Christianity. Digging into Tolkien will find you some interesting stuff, though. Such as eucatastrophe, (Everything going from catastrophic and suddenly righting itself--as in the Battle of Pelennor Fields), Tolkien saw as a reflection of the Resurrection, which he called the ultimate form of eucatastrophe. He uses this literary form heavily.

Thanks Adstar!

Welcome back Tinuviel, you have created quite an uproar with your presence. And may you continue serving God until the end.

Thank you brother! An uproar, huh? It's nice to be back!

LOL... 😂 I am pushing it little bit too far.

I particularly like the ultimate end of men being a mystery in the silmarillion. The 3rd music if memory serves? Music is something I can relate to and the dissonance that Melkor caused still makes me mournful, b/c I translate to the fall of the angels and the lake of fire.


I have issues with both books and don't read them, and probably wouldn't again until things are clearer for me on what is and is not permissible. Mostly because of the way my mind works. I feel like a lot of things shouldn't be shared, because I feel like they are private. Some authors seem to feel otherwise and I can't say for certain what their motivation was.

I'm the type of person that sees the speck, and confronts someone on it. When they bring up the plank scripture my response is something as follows. I'm not trying to take it out for you, as I am aware of my own issues...I am pointing it out. Feel free to point out mine. I think the Lord sees the speck and the plank. I'm not sure he cares much about the specks and maybe the enemy is the one who uses that for accusation/condemnation. Not sure...thus my speck quest.

If I can figure out how the Lord views them, I think I can proceed with a lot of fiction and engage a lot of ideas without anxiety over "more specks" sticking to me if that makes any sense.


Not sure. Ty for discussion.