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Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

What Jesus says is working for money and serving God is not possible. Yes I am saying if you work for a paycheck and you say you serve God, you are disobeying what Jesus says. Jesus says...in Luke 12:22-34

Do Not Worry or Be Fearful
And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what he shall eat; neither for the body, what he shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take thought for the rest?

To explain Luke 12:22-26
The ravens don’t have jobs or houses, yet God provides everything they need, aren’t you worth much more than these creatures? And who can add more years to themselves? Or there life? Why worry about such things when you can’t even do anything about the least of all these? (Food, shelter, clothes).

Luke 12:27-31 (Continued)
Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek first the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

I believe Jesus makes it very clear on what we need to do as Christians, stop serving money (stop working for money, quit your job) stop worrying where your going to get your next meal, or where you are going to sleep, Jesus says the world worry’s about such things, you are not supposed to be a part of this world. Stop relying on money, using money is ok, but working for it is not. Stop putting your faith in a worldly system and preach the Gospel full time, listen to Jesus.

The second to last verse Luke 12:33
Sell what you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Do you see what Jesus is saying? Every single Christian did what Jesus commands. There was no special person who didn’t sell all and leave everything, preaching the gospel 24/7. Your job is to preach his word, and he gives you the essentials you need. 1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. Jesus was never a carpenter the only verse you can see is his father being a carpenter in Mark 6:3. Jesus started preaching when he was 12 Year’s old according to scripture, in Luke 42-49. He never served (work for) money, he did use money though, his treasurer was Judas (the one who betrayed him).


Definition of Forsaketh according to Jesus is found in all the gospels, but I am going to use Mark 10:17-21 for this claim.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

The definition is clear consistently through all 4 of the gospels. The Word of God has spoken and commands this as a requirement to inherit eternal life with him. Jesus Christ has the ultimate authority in the Bible, the Old Testament does not teach us how to live as Christ did, that is why the New Testament (Jesus Christ’s teachings more importantly) applies to us, hence forth New Testament. Notice Jesus told him he LACKED one thing, now you can say this only applies to the rich man, but that is a lie. It applies to everyone that truly loves Jesus. In the rest of the scripture, right around Luke 14:33 Jesus addressed the entire multitude of people, rich and poor, women, children all kinds of people. Here it is.


-The Cost of Discipleship- Luke 14:25-27
And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33-Acts 2:45-47 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man hath need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33 again, Matthew 13:44-46

-The Treasure and the Goodly Pearl-
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

These are the commands of Jesus in a parable, the man sold everything to inherit eternal life. Now I have heard the arguments against what Jesus commands, the biggest one is people want to point to Paul and say he has a higher authority than God in the flesh and they say, “Paul worked as a tent maker!” So sense he worked for money it’s ok. Really? I would recommend that you only follow Jesus and what he says. But let’s take a look at this argument.

Acts 18:3-5
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by there occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again. Now this passage does not say he labored (worked, served) for money, all it says was he was creating tents, even if he did work for money, he left to preach to the Gentiles after he realized he was in the wrong.

Another passage of scripture people use as a excuse to not obey Jesus is....
1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

This is taking scripture out of context, the title of this section of verses is called...
-Provisions for Widows-
Verses 5:1-10 the last verse says “Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she has longed strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Let’s compare Jesus teachings with 1 Timothy 5:10, then we can understand what 5:8 means.
“Brought up children”...- Matthew 18:5 “And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.”’ “If she hath lodged strangers”...Luke 14:13 “But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. (The first Christians utilized money to rent a place or stayed at someone else’s place if invited in. Matthew 10:14). “If she have washed the saints’ feet”-Matthew 22:32 “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (I believe this applies to every follower of Jesus, that we should strengthen each other). “If she have relieved the afflicted,”...Mark 16:17 “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.”

This explains that Timothy was simply obeying Jesus Christ’s commands, including the widows. Now 1 Timothy 5:8 is saying work as in working to build Jesus Christ’s kingdom, working serving Jesus and obeying his commands. When you deny the faith, what it is really saying is your denying that God will provide all your needs when preaching the word. If you don’t have faith in what Jesus says, how in the world do you believe he’s going to resurrect you from the dead? There is no room for Luke warm Christians. You either listen to Jesus or you will be grinded to powder. Jesus says they would reject the corner stone of his teachings. This is essentiall and required by every follower of Christ. FORSAKETH ALL!

I hope God leads me to at least one individual that’s hears his word.

Mark 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear
 

Dino246

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Welcome to CC :)

The Bible Discussion Forum would be an appropriate place for your post. Given your stance, you can expect some pushback though.
 

blue_ladybug

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Yes, the Bible forum is definitely a more suitable place for your post. This forum is specifically only for introducing yourself..
 

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Luke was a physican....Jesus made tables...i guess u forgot where the bible talks about ants and how blessed those are who work and cursed those who are lazy and dont do anything. It even says if u arent willing to work u shouldnt eat
 

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I hope God leads me to at least one individual that’s hears his word.
Once you have been a member a period of time and make the effort to get to know the members, who they are and what they are about you will realize most of them do hear His word. As this is the forum for introducing yourself it most likely won't receive too many replies related to the verses you posted. I recommend that you create a thread in the Bible Discussion Forum so that these passages can be properly addressed. From experience, for best results I would just include a few pertinent verses that support the point you are trying to convey instead of many verses in a single post. Glad to have you as a member of our community. Looking forward to your posts. Welcome to CC.
 

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Welcome to CC and so glad you have something to share. 'By doing this kind of hard work we must help the weak, as Jesus himself said, It is better to give than to receive' Acts 20:35. God bless.
 

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Jesus started preaching when he was 12 Year’s old according to scripture, in Luke 42-49. He never served (work for) money, he did use money though, his treasurer was Judas (the one who betrayed him).

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again.
Where in scripture does it state explicitly or imply that Jesus, had never received financial compensation of any type for work performed before He began His ministry?

During Paul's confinement in Roman he paid for his own rented quarters, food, and anything else necessary for ordinary day to day living so as to not be a burden to others. This was made possible by his work as a tentmaker.

Working for wages to support yourself and your family is not serving mammon. In Proverbs it states explicitly that if one is able to work and refuses to do so then they do not eat. It says to consider the ant as it is busy gathering food and building shelter for the cold days again. It warns against unnecessary slumber in excess of what it is needed for face the challenges of each day. It says that if you don't work scarcity will soon be upon you.

I don't find your argument to be compelling for quitting your job as it is contrary to scripture and common sense.

I hope that you really don't expect the hard working taxpayers of this country to support you while you are on this work hiatus.
 
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Welcome to CC :)

The Bible Discussion Forum would be an appropriate place for your post. Given your stance, you can expect some pushback though.
Oh I expect this being extremely controversial to the so called Christians of today, it’s never preached in buildings, Jesus Courner Stone is rejected by people who claim they love and serve him, but don’t even follow the simplest commands.
 
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Luke was a physican....Jesus made tables...i guess u forgot where the bible talks about ants and how blessed those are who work and cursed those who are lazy and dont do anything. It even says if u arent willing to work u shouldnt eat
Please give me Bible verses to support your claim.
 

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Oh I expect this being extremely controversial to the so called Christians of today, it’s never preached in buildings, Jesus Courner Stone is rejected by people who claim they love and serve him, but don’t even follow the simplest commands.
You do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.
 
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Where in scripture does it state explicitly or imply that Jesus, had never received financial compensation of any type for work performed before He began His ministry?

During Paul's confinement in Roman he paid for his own rented quarters, food, and anything else necessary for ordinary day to day living so as to not be a burden to others. This was made possible by his work as a tentmaker.

Working for wages to support yourself and your family is not serving mammon. In Proverbs it states explicitly that if one is able to work and refuses to do so then they do not eat. It says to consider the ant as it is busy gathering food and building shelter for the cold days again. It warns against unnecessary slumber in excess of what it is needed for face the challenges of each day. It says that if you don't work scarcity will soon be upon you.

I don't find your argument to be compelling for quitting your job as it is contrary to scripture and common sense.

I hope that you really don't expect the hard working taxpayers of this country to support you while you are on this work hiatus.
I could care less for the tax paying system, I feel sorry for individuals who want to serve money instead of Jesus. Matthew 6:24-30. Please show me where Jesus ever worked for money in the Bible in the first place. Give me scripture. Like I have given you. He used money YES, but NEVER worked for a paycheck in his life. When brought a coin to him Luke 20:24, he didn’t even know who it was that was on it, if he did handle and work for money why would he ask such a thing? Do you really think the creator of the universe needed money to take care of himself? When he created everything? Paul did pay for things, but guess where he got the money from? It’s in Acts 2:45. It never says Paul received money for building tents. That is assuming. I don’t think you read what I posted, I have scripture that shows what you claim is false. The men and women worked preaching the gospel and served God, Jesus provides everything for them. Including if they needed money.
 

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Reflecting of Luke 14:33 again, Matthew 13:44-46 -The Treasure and the Goodly Pearl-
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
These are the commands of Jesus in a parable, the man sold everything to inherit eternal life.
Jesus is the "man" in Matt13:44-46, Who "selleth/sold" all, and "buyeth/bought" these. Not us [who do so, or who are to do so, "to inherit eternal life"].

Additionally, how would one do the [following thing]: "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"



Welcome to CC. Hope to see you around the boards. :)
 
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Jesus is the "man" in Matt13:44-46, Who "selleth/sold" all, and "buyeth/bought" these. Not us [who do so, or who are to do so, "to inherit eternal life"].

Additionally, how would one do the [following thing]: "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"



Welcome to CC. Hope to see you around the boards. :)
If Jesus is making a parable about himself, what would you say he sold to give himself eternal life? It makes no sense, Jesus is showing Luke 14:33 and Acts 4:32-37 and many others things he quoted as a comparison of what eternal life requires. Jesus is the pearl of great price brother, and you would obey him and follow his commands to inherit eternal life.

Thanks for welcoming me though.