THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

Bladerunner more or less told me I wasn't saved. He suggested to ask Jesus to send me the Holy Spirit to teach me. One thing I was taught is that you receive the Holy spirit when you are saved. I said the sinners prayer in front of a Minister in 1971 and was Baptised in water a year later which was witnessed by about 100 people. Now I am being told that Im not saved because I dont believe in Darbys pre trib nonsense. He was thrown out of the Plymouth Brethren because of it and formed his own group. I was also told that it is not a salvation issue. I have heard this before. How come I am then told that I need the Holy Spirit because I dont believe in it and then that it is not a salvation issue?

Firstly my statement about them not building one is correct unless its hidden away somewhere.

This is a quote from the Temple Institute website.....

''The Institute seeks to disseminate this knowledge, rekindle the desire and yearning for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple and prepare as much as possible for the actual rebuilding''

In order to rekindle the desire and yearning it logicaly follows that the desire and yearning was no longer there otherwise the statement makes no sense.

In Wilkipedia under the temple Institute there is a section headed Controversies. In it various Jewish Scholars are at loggerheads as to whether only the Messiah can build it or whether anyone can. I believe that one will be built during the tribulation under the rule of antichrist. No one knows when that will be but it is hardly cause for celebration.

Israel is a Secular state. Synagogue based Judaism has been practiced since the destruction of the old Temple. Many Jews have only a nodding acquaintance with that and many others range in belief from Atheists to Buddhists

I have been to Israel and have seen first hand what Israeli society looks like.

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There is only one second coming. This has been taught by the church
for centuries and still is. When he returns the resurrection will occur and
those alive will meet him in the air and escort him to earth. In Jude it says
that he will come with thousands of his saints. These are the righteous dead
who receive immortal bodies at his coming and are now with him in heaven

ONLY THOSE WITH BLOODLINE TIES TO ISRAEL AND HAVING THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM ARE CONSIDERED OF ISRAEL BY GOD.

MESSIANIC JEWS OF TODAY, CERTAINLY ARE THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL IN THIS CHURCH-AGE.

So you admit that there is no real Israel in the state of Israel and therefore their plans or actions are irrelevant?

Judaism - 75% (but mostly culturally, they are atheists with the highest density of gay bars in the world)
Islam - 17.5%
Christianity - 2% (but these are mostly non-Jews living in Israel)
Unknown and others - 5.5%

Now guess how godly can their temple or any plans about it be. And also guess what group wants to build a jewish temple.



Messianic Jews or just and simply Christians from Jews in various Churches?

Messianic Jews live under the old covenant, do not eat unclean food, keep sabbath and you would surely do not want to be with them. They take the Law as still valid.

Doctrinal Statement -
Congregation of SHEMA YISRAEL

WE BELIEVE:
1. THE HOLY SCRIPTURES
That the Bible consists of the Tenach (the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings) and the writings commonly known as the Brit Chadasha, the New Covenant. It is the only infallible, inerrant, and authoritative word of God. We recognize its divine inspiration and accept its teachings as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.
2. GOD
That the unity of God is taught in the Shema. God is one – echad: a united one, a composite unity, eternally existent in plural oneness. He is a personal God who created us; and He exists forever in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
A. God the Father is the King of the Universe, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, without beginning and without end. He is Spirit. He sent His Son, Yeshua the Messiah, and draws people to Him.
B. God the Son is Yeshua – Jesus, the Messiah. He possesses both Divine and human natures. He was born of a virgin. The Son is God and is worshiped as God. He has always existed. He is the Passover Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. We believe in His sinless life and His perfect obedience to the Torah; His atoning death, burial, and bodily resurrection; His ascension into heaven; and His personal return in power and glory to this earth in order to consummate the prophesied purposes concerning His kingdom.
C. God the Holy Spirit is a person, possessing all the attributes of Deity. He was active in the creation of the universe and continues to be active through His providence. He convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment; He regenerates, sanctifies, immerses, indwells, seals, empowers, illumines, guides, teaches, and gives gifts to all believers.
3. MAN
That man was created in the image of God but through disobedience fell and became separated from God. All men are born with a sinful nature. Man’s only hope for redemption is by having faith in Messiah Yeshua. This results in salvation and regeneration by the Ruach HaKodesh, which is the new birth. We believe that Yeshua died for our sins; that all who believe in Him are made right with God, not by any of their own works of righteousness, but by Messiah’s perfect righteousness and atoning blood, and that there is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved. Salvation has always been by faith; and that works of law, or righteous acts, have never saved anyone.
4. RESURRECTION AND JUDGMENT
A. In His promised coming in the air to receive Messianic Believers to Himself.
B. In the bodily resurrection of both the just and the unjust: the just to everlasting life, and the unjust to eternal death and separation from God.
5. ISRAEL
That the election of Israel is irrevocable. We believe in the physical and spiritual restoration of Israel. A great miracle in our day has been the re-establishment of the state of Israel according to prophecy.
6. MESSIANIC JUDAISM
That Jewish people (physical descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, whether through patrilineal or matrilineal descent) who place their faith in Messiah Yeshua, continue to be Jewish according to the Scriptures. Gentiles who place their faith in Yeshua are grafted into the Jewish Olive Tree of faith becoming spiritual sons and daughters of Abraham.
That all of God’s word to Israel is still valid. We believe that “Biblical Judaism” is the faith of first-century believers, which we seek to practice. We believe that the Holy Days given by God to Israel with their fulfillment in the Messiah Yeshua are still valid and are worth observing.
We acknowledge that the New Covenant Messianic Community (the Church) is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who have received Yeshua the Messiah as the promised Redeemer. The “middle wall of partition” has been broken down, and now we worship the God of Israel together.

Doctrinal Statement - Congregation Shema Yisrael

No, because of the hatred you wear on your sleeve.

It seems you like to play word games lit another on this thread.WHY would you do that?

ONLY THOSE WITH BLOODLINE TIES TO ISRAEL AND HAVING THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM ARE CONSIDERED OF ISRAEL BY GOD.

MESSIANIC JEWS OF TODAY, CERTAINLY ARE THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL IN THIS CHURCH-AGE.

THAT FAITH OF ABRAHAM WAS THE UNQUESTIONING TYPE OF FAITH. YOU QUESTION EVERYTHING, SO MY GUESS IS YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM.

So according to you warning fellow Christians including yourself about a false and potentially dangerous system of teaching is wearing hate on my sleeve. I have warned you and others so now its up to you if you heed the warning or not.

I am not playing word games with anyone. You made a statement that amounts to doubting my salvation. That doubt appears to be based on the fact that I dont believe or agree with dispensationalism There is not one post where I have doubted a Pre tribbers salvation. I dont agree with Preterism either but so far no one has doubted my salvation on that basis, and it is a minority view in any case

VCO, some "marketing" pictures and videos cannot change any facts.

Statistics is not antisemitism. There are virtually no Christian Jews in Israel. Even 2% of population can make some few soldiers or some few big churches, but it is nothing relevant to population.

BTW Kiev is in Ukraine.

Mesianic Jews are keeping the Law. I hope you believe we are not under the Law anymore and that Christ is the end of the Law.

I think that it is not even the Mesianic Jews who wants to build a temple (at least I hope they have so much of wisdom), but only unbelieving Jews.

yes but my friend if no temple how can the prophecies be fulfilled in matthew 24:15????????? and things......
but i agree with u on tehm getting special treatment its weird........ if i say keep the sabbath im a heretic and under the law but if messianics do it, its just fine because of their ethnicity.......... i thought it was one people under Christ and not two different camps????????

Matthew 24:15 was before the destruction of the temple. It already happened. The temple is destroyed as Christ said.

There is no need for another one to be build and destroyed again.

i see....... so 70ad?????? but Jesus was supposed to return then too no??????? where is sky splitting open and son of man coming on the clouds u see?????? im not arguing with u i just ask questions ok because i dont know where u stand...... u are my friend

ONLY THOSE WITH BLOODLINE TIES TO ISRAEL AND HAVING THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM ARE CONSIDERED OF ISRAEL BY GOD.

MESSIANIC JEWS OF TODAY, CERTAINLY ARE THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL IN THIS CHURCH-AGE.

THAT FAITH OF ABRAHAM WAS THE UNQUESTIONING TYPE OF FAITH. YOU QUESTION EVERYTHING, SO MY GUESS IS YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM.

yes but my friend if no temple how can the prophecies be fulfilled in matthew 24:15????????? and things......
but i agree with u on tehm getting special treatment its weird........ if i say keep the sabbath im a heretic and under the law but if messianics do it, its just fine because of their ethnicity.......... i thought it was one people under Christ and not two different camps????????

That first statment is absolutely true. BUT AN APPEARING IN THE CLOUDS DOES NOT COUNT AS A COMING. JUST LIKE APPEARING TO PAUL AT LEAST 3 TIMES DID NOT COUNT. iT IS NOT A COMING, UNTIL HIS FEET TOUGH THE GROUND. THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD IN CHRIST IS AT THE APPEARING TO CALL OUT THE BRIDE, AND THE RESURRECTION OF THE TRIBULATION SAINTS IS AT THE SECOND COMING.

Take it back to the Rapture Thread, this is for THIRD TEMPLE NEWS.

You challenged me on my statement that most Israelis are not that concerned about building another temple. I replied to it using the temple Institutes own words. You or anyone else can see the statement by googling the Temple Institutes site.

A third temple will not be built by a faithful remnant of Jews. It will be built by those who believe that the Antichrist is the Messiah. Whether I have the faith of Abraham or not is between myself and God alone.

[h=3]The Messianic Idea in Judaism[/h] Belief in the eventual coming of the mashiach is a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism. It is part of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith, the minimum requirements of Jewish belief. In the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, recited three times daily, we pray for all of the elements of the coming of the mashiach: ingathering of the exiles; restoration of the religious courts of justice; an end of wickedness, sin and heresy; reward to the righteous; rebuilding of Jerusalem; restoration of the line of King David; and restoration of Temple service.
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Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

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Such a validation process as this is similar to the judgment of Ezra about the family of Barzillai (Ezra 2:62-63), and there are doubtless other possibilities as well. The verification of heredity by no means takes the place of each Cohen's inner purification by receiving the Ruach HaKodesh from Messiah Yeshua, but the New Covenant transformation makes them yet more suitable for service in the Mikdash {Sanctuary of the King or Temple}. In any case, nothing prevents Yeshua from undertaking the process of verification of Cohanim {Crown of the Priests}, today, if he does indeed desire the Temple's reconstruction. This line of thinking again leads to the idea that a remnant of Israel will both be servants of Yeshua the Messiah, and will be involved in rebuilding and serving in the Mikdash.


When My Mikdash {Sanctuary of the King or Temple} is With Them Forever (Ez. 37:28)
This article has surveyed Avrahamic heritage related to worship at Hashem's Makom, exegesis of the book of Hebrew that supports the Messianic Jewish community's participation in the Temple, and Yeshua's Messianic credentials. Yeshua-believing Jews are challenged to formally engage the Temple question, and in that light, Yeshua-believing non-Jews are challenged to seriously engage the Israel question. The wider Jewish community is challenged to consider the question of Yeshua as Israel's Messiah, who is promised to restore the Mikdash.


Increasing numbers of Israelis are laboring to see the Mikdash rebuilt. The Messianic Jewish community cannot fail to respond to this crucial issue known to be a perpetual mitzvah, and that so deeply involves our Messiah and his great sacrificial work.

Does Messianic Judaism Have a Part in Rebuilding the Temple?