GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

LK 4v16, Joh 15v10, 8v29,

NO Dan...we do not want to go back to the OT for instructions.....you would also be STONED if you got it wrong.
As far as I can make out YASHUA/Jesus tells us TO FOLLOW HIM - as a true disciple would and so you would keep the COMMANDMENTS INCLUDING the Sabbath AS HE DID ! that sounds right to me....obviously not everybody.
Could the reason be to separate sheep from Goates ? think about it....some people are obedient some are not and it shows in our actions.

Those are scripture references, not scriptures.


Here is what a scripture is -

• He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father,

Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18


No mention of Jesus "keeping the Sabbath" in this verse.


Do you attend a synagogue on the Sabbath?


16 When he came to the village of Nazareth, his boyhood home, he went as usual to the synagogue on Saturday, and stood up to read the Scriptures.


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10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, “It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed.” John 15:10


Again, this scripture does mention Jesus "keeping the Sabbath". If anything it indicates He did not keep the Sabbath.



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And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him.” John 8:29


No mention of Jesus "keeping the Sabbath" in this scripture.



It is evident, as to why you didn't provide a scripture, but only a scripture reference, because there in nothing in the scriptures that says "Jesus kept the Sabbath".


Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18

• because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father,

This scripture says Jesus broke the Sabbath, not kept the Sabbath.





JPT

So you DID manage to find the SCRIPTURES I referenced for you....well done.....but NOT so well done for DENYING THEM !!!!

Now...WHO said Jesus/Yashua BROKE the Sabbath.

Hi gb9.....at last there is something we agree on -

I do not like the new format either !!!!!!!!

"Transgression of what"?

Thank You, Beta,

we both love 'truth-tellers' who know their Lord and Saviour, Obey Him,
and who really know their Bible and the Scriptures...
hugs...

We need to take heed of those who pervert the gospel by teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works," which is NOT the works worthy of repentance that the Bible speaks of. These many people in Matthew 7:22-23 trusted in their works for salvation AND JESUS NEVER KNEW THEM, just as many people today who are mixed up in various false religions and cults who play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom do as well.

You are not fooling any genuine BELIEVERS on Christian Chat with your trickery and deceit.

Yes, thank you. The Covenant God made with Abraham.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And (If you do these things) I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Abraham obeyed because he believed Him)

Was this same Covenant offered to Cain?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Isn't this the same thing Jesus said as a man?

Matt. 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


The Abrahamic Covenant became the New [refreshed] Covenant, when the Lord who made Covenant with Abraham became flesh, and shed His blood, confirming that covenant with His own blood as Abraham did with his.

This is why we are called "children of Abraham", through faith in Christ Jesus, because we are grafted into that Covenant.

Yes, that is why those who "cling to God" as Abraham did are called the Children of Abraham.

Yes, God's Instructions are Spiritual. From Eve, to Cain, to Noah, To Abraham, humans have been given instruction in Righteousness which we are to have lodged in our mind to fight the battle of thoughts and "rule over the lusts of the Flesh".

These would include "Love the Lord your God", Don't Covet, Don't steal, etc.

So God remembered His Covenant with Abraham and gave, once again, to Abraham's Children "His Voice, His Commandments, His Statutes, and His Laws that Abraham obeyed.

But He also "ADDED" a law because of the Transgressions of the Covenant God created with Abraham, until Jesus, the Seed should come. This Added Law had to do with

#1.Administering God's Laws to the people. "11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) (That God gave to Abraham)

#2. Perform ceremonial, sacrificial "works" to atone for the sin's of the People until the Seed should come.


Abraham had God's Laws, but he didn't have the Levitical Priesthood. He was justified "Apart from the Law".

Thank you JPT.

Added to God's Laws that were given to Abraham, because of transgression of God's Laws that were given to Abraham.

Exactly

(If you do these things)

How can you be so comfortable adding to God's word what God did not say??!

That is not in the text

This is a Bible discussion forum. I am discussing the Bible and Its Words.

I don't trust in "my" Works for Salvation as those who you referenced, I trust in God's Works. I trust in the Righteous, perfect Works God created beforehand that we should walk in, as He instructed in His Word that you deny.

God did create Works for us to walk in, according to His Word. Not yours, but His. Your unbelief in His Word doesn't make His Word Void.

This is His Program not yours or the Popes. But He did tell us what you would say.

But they said; "We will not walk in them".

Don't be angry at me for what God's Word reveals about you.

Hebrew translation - where there is no Torah, there is no peysha ( transgression, violation of the Law ).

( not that studyman cares about language , definitions, things like that ).

We are saved by grace through faith, not works and we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them (Ephesians 2:8-10). So we are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works. I understand the difference and I don’t deny Ephesians 2:10. I also do not mix the old and new covenant and teach salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works.”

Trusting in God’s works/good works and not your works as the means of your salvation is a distinction without a difference because who is it that walks in/performs these works? I don’t have unbelief in God’s Word and I also do not pervert the Gospel.

God’s Word does not reveal the false accusations that you make about me and it’s ironic to hear you make that statement. You don’t need to worry about me being angry. I have a good conscience and I’m not easily fooled by false teachers.