The Divine Equation

I do believe that the men and the talents shows that He expects a return. He wants to see fruit.
But I also think the moment I think I am the one growing the fruit, that I have gone wrong...

I wish I didn't have to go right now. I'd like to hear more of what you are trying to say before I rush to a kneejerk judgement...I'll be back to read later.

He is talking about polar opposite messages to truth or that truth is schizophrenic.

I don't think so...it may have been my first reaction too.
I think he is rather talking about the possibility of getting lopsided by not taking with every verse, the verses that SEEM to contradict it...truthfully, we've all noted this, haven't we?

That is usually par for the course in the Bible Discussion Forum, people perceive to see the truth but at times their truth is different than the Truth.

You are misinterpreting Ro 2:13 since Paul never said anyone has been justified by keeping the law.

Surely you aren't calling the letter of the law, which kills, to be the same thing as the law of the Spirit in you/the law of Christ...

Two polar opposite ends of a magnet don't seem to contradict each other they ACTUALLY CONTRADICT each other.

The letter of the law is: don't shoot anyone to death.
The law of Christ is: if you even have anger in your heart without cause, you have already murdered.

I have not found that He allows me to murder but speaks with me about it and changes my mind from the letter to the spirit that gives life.

The verses being discussed are the law of Moses.

Okay, so you don't like his example and think a better one could be found?

Umm...I didn't see that. Where did he quote the letter of the law or recommend it?
He may be working toward it, but thus far he hasn't, so I don't want to assume that without hearing more.

That guy doesn't see the truth. He is a "Jesus died spiritually" heretic and interprets the Bible from eisegesis.

Eisegesis sounds like a disease of some sort, hopefully not contagious.

Okay, you are not willing to listen to more than a few sentences from a man before you pass judgement on what he is trying to convey.
I'm going to have to drop this conversation with you. I would like to hear more and I always want to give every man a chance, and you are just being nutty and refusing to let him explain himself and his thoughts. Be back to read more later.

In the first instance Paul stated a fact. In the second he made a rhetorical point regarding those who were under the law, which has nothing to do with anyone under the new covenant. Context is the key.

Paul was making a rhetorical point when he basically said, hearing doesn't mean righteousness but DOING what you hear means righteousness.

It's like our saying: talk is cheap.

Not so much really. Here is a balance of statements...

"The soul that sins it shall die!". Now, is that true?

"And...the gift of God (apart from what you have done) is life in Christ Jesus". Is that true?

So which one is more true than the other?

Are they not both held together in Romans 8? "IF you put to death the deeds of the body by the Spirit, then you shall live!" But if you do the deeds of the body you shall die.

Again... (as is common without this understanding) you are staying on the same side of the equation and negating half the truth. (not knowingly of course) Doers of the law are indeed justified. The fact is that grace enables us to do just that. (Fulfill the law) Faith without works is dead....or...only half the truth. The works prove the equation.

The truth is alive in the person of Christ. We aren't saved until the life from heaven kicks in. Or until we are walking in the same power that raised Jesus from the dead. THAT is what the new covenant is about. So then when we walk in that kind of life we don't need to reason away the law amd it's righteous requirements. We are not saved by a limited understanding of a verse that negates the truth contained in other verses. (I hope that makes sense to you)

Let us stay on your Romans claim first You are comparing apples to oranges since Paul said everyone has broken the law but he never said anyone has kept the law to be justified by it. There is no polar opposite by Paul in those two verses.