Revelation 3:5

Salvation is possible because of God's power in salvation. But that hardly means you don't have to secure that power through faith by your believing.

Even the faith to secure God's power in salvation is not of you, but that hardly means you do not then have to place your trust in Christ in response to the gift of faith. We know who has received that faith, not rejected it, and who are trusting God through that faith by if they are living for Jesus. Generally speaking, if they are still living in their old lives then we know they do not trust God for salvation.

We must continue to trust God through the gift of the power of faith to be saved when Jesus comes back. We know we are doing that and are ready to meet him at his coming by if we are living for him.

I find it so depressing that so many of you have placed your eternal security in your own hands.
If your eternal security is not totally in the hands of Jesus, NO EXCEPTIONS, than you have no security.

Again your words prove you do not know what your talking about....keep thinking YOU secure that power...your Jesus is weak.....

AMEN....the workers for absolutely MUST HELP THEIR WEAK INEPT JESUS save them or keep them saved.....what a slap in the face to the SON of GOD...

Does Jesus do your believing for you?

If believing is a work of the damnable works gospel then you are a 'worker for' too. You don't seem to realize this. Unless, of course, Jesus does your believing for you.

Alas for your ego, but no, I am not following you. The system lets people know when someone responds to a post.


Paul never once stated that the Galatians were in danger of losing salvation or of losing the gift of the Holy Spirit.

I find it so depressing that so many of you have placed your eternal security in your own hands.
If your eternal security is not totally in the hands of Jesus, NO EXCEPTIONS, than you have no security.

Does JESUS deal to men faith in measure?

Does JESUS begin the work of faith?
Does JESUS finish the work of faith?
Does Jesus COMPLETE the work of FAITH?

For a gift, yes (Romans 12--passage you're referring to).

For salvation? Of course He does. It's a gift of God given to men so they can then place their trust in Christ and be saved.

God gives the power of faith to know the gospel is true (Hebrews 11:1). Then we do the believing in response to what he has shown us is true through that gift of faith.

So back to my question: Does God do your believing/trusting for you? I know he gives the power and ability to be able to believe/trust, but does he actually do your believing/trusting for you?




Of course he does........for those who believe, not for those who stopped believing, or who never believed to begin with.

Does JESUS deal to men faith in measure?
Does JESUS begin the work of faith?
Does JESUS finish the work of faith?
Does Jesus COMPLETE the work of FAITH?

My JESUS does....it seem obvious that your JESUS does none of the 4 above....Your Jesus is not found in scripture!

Bolded false and voids the first four points above as lies from an inept weak God that cannot keep his promises
Underlined true

Does Jesus do your believing for you?

So you also belive that Jesus did/does your believing for you (or else it would be you earning your own salvation)?

Show me in the Bible where 'believing' is a work of the damnable works gospel. Don't bother looking. It's not there. It's not among the works that can not justify. It is exactly the thing that does justify, and which is not a work of merit.

I truly hope you find eternal life that is in Christ Jesus.
But that will never happen as long as you continue to trust in yourself. YOUR ability to KEEP believing.
You, you, me, me, will never be accepted by God.

Lol, if I had to do my believing/trusting without any encouragement from God I'd be lost already.

I do the believing/trusting required for salvation with loads of encouragement from God. I wouldn't be able to do it without it.

But it is still about what you do. It's always about what YOU do or are doing.

But it is still about what you do. It's always about what YOU do or are doing.

I actually believe that some people think so. Faith becomes a completely passive experience in the belief that GOD does everything. Basically a form of Quietism > Quietism — The Passive Christian Life (btw that author has some great stuff you might like)

But it is still about what you do. It's always about what YOU do or are doing.

Exactly why his false dogma is so false and dangerous.....it points to him and not Christ....ANY dogma or belief that points to self or lifts a man up while devaluing Christ and what he does is not of GOD....end of story.....!

And some people actually believe Jesus...you know...the one that deals faith, starts the work of faith, finishes the work of faith, completes the work of faith, saves to the uttermost, never leaves us or forsakes us...the very same one who gives the irrevocable GIFT of eternal life by faith.......and of course when he says eternal or everlasting he does not mean temporary based upon what we do or don't do....and the funny thing...HE ABIDES faithful because he cannot deny himself....you know the imputed righteousness of Christ by faith and all that jazz about seeing the blood and passing over.......the JESUS of the bible....