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Nehemiah6 said:
And the Church is NOT Israelites. That should settle the matter.
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True, the christian church is from ROME introduced by the RCC who enforced sunday worship which spread out over all the world. That in no way settles the matter for GOD whose HOLY DAY is being rejected and violated ! The reckoning is coming !
 
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vic1980 said:
Why are many ignoring it , simple , there was a decree sent forth to all asia minor and surrounding areas to follow the Roman Emperor order's. To keep a certain calendar , a certain date for passover along with certain festival that God never intended His people to keep.

A large amount of truth has been compromised and lost , due to following orders of men , but these things don't save.

Satan has crafted a web of lies , that have made , many individuals fall into the state of Emotionalism.​

But we are here to find common ground as brothers in Christ Jesus the Lord , I believe when the Lord returns all will be in order , and there will no longer be any man made adjustment to His statues that He himself has ordain for us to follow.

I believe we can come to a agreement upon this posthuman shalom​
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yet there is the moon, up in the sky, set there for keeping time, where every eye that sees can see it.

constant reminder, if we'd just lift up our eyes, right?
 
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Jeremiah74 said:
Exodus 31:17
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'"
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what did He do on the 8th day?
 
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beta said:
There is no scripture telling us the Lords day is sunday...not one ! you are adding to scripture and teaching it as truth....bad idea !
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yes, their is. you see, while yes what is in Scripture is very, very important. but, what is NOT in Scripture is also important.

the greek word for Sabbath is sabbaton. that word is NOT USED in Revelation when John said he was in the Spirt on the Lord's Day. different word, so John did not say Sabbath about the Lord's Day.

the last time the Sabbath was mentioned in the N.T. was the letter of Colossians. , so a large chunk of the N.T. does not even mention it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JaumeJ said:
The Source is the Word.

God designated the Seventh Day.

Man changed the Sabbath of the Lord to the first day.....

Misconstruing or reinterpreting what is in plain words will not change this.
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Jeremiah74 said:
I posted this on another thread but maybe it will help here.

Judaism and Christianity are opposite pole. one added and one took away from Gods Word. What if we could meet in the middle?

Just consider this with an open mind.

ohn 1:1,2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.

This is talking about Jesus right.

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God. The only brought-forth Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He did declare.

So who did Abraham, Moses and Jacob see?

John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Aḇraham came to be, I am.”
He was the one that was before Abraham

John 15:10,15
10 "If you guard My commands, you shall stay in My love, even as I have guarded My Father’s commands and stay in His love.
15 “No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, for all teachings which I heard from My Father I have made known to you.

John 15:22
“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Isn't it possible Jesus Is the one who gave the commands on Mt. Sinai.
Jesus in hebrew(Yeshua) literally means YHVH saves

So when He says " obey MY commands" we want to look for the words in red.
How many commands do you find in red to justifying all, if it was only 2 wouldn't he say my 2 commands?

Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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lol. Just so you know man,

Christianity is a jewish religion, Its father is a jew, Its head is a jew, Its creator is a jew, and the same "Christ" Who gave birth to christianity is the same "Messiah" who came to fulfill and will come and complete his part God promised for the jews.

Judaism is a false religion who came from the jewish nation, Much like catholicism is a false religion who came out of the christian body
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol. Just so you know man,

Christianity is a jewish religion, Its father is a jew, Its head is a jew, Its creator is a jew, and the same "Christ" Who gave birth to christianity is the same "Messiah" who came to fulfill and will come and complete his part God promised for the jews.

Judaism is a false religion who came from the jewish nation, Much like catholicism is a false religion who came out of the christian body
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I really hate that this does not erase a post you changed your mind about responding to, then you do not catch it till after 5minutes
 
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pjharrison said:
What do you mean by the Lords Day

Mark 2:27 Jesus said to them, The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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Thus it is not the lords day, it is mans day (to rest)
 
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beta said:
The point my friend is that gentiles are NOT TO REMAIN GENTILES but be CONVERTED ! Acts 3v19-23 !!! ALL,everybody has to TURN TO THE LORD, the REAL TRUE LORD[of the Sabbath} - not one of the FALSE christs we are WARNED of and who DECEIVE MANY Mat 24.
In christian teaching you never hear anything about CONversion because they don't want you to TURN and be RESTORED to the ORIGINAL state GOD intended for ALL Men ! NOW is the time of REFRESHING and REGENERATION when the LOST SHEEP should return to the only true Shepherd

1Pet 2v29 for you were as sheep going astray, but are now returned 'unto the Shepherd and and Bishop of your Souls.

So that is the reason why there are NO instructions in the Bible for gentiles, christians or any other group like they are given for ISRAEL !!! because all must TURN to the LORD our SAVIOUR ...to be SAVED ! This is FREE CHOICE and not a command !!!
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Be converted to God, not jews,

The jews tried to convert christians To be jews and paul wrote half the nt exposing them,
 
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beta said:
And that is the problem....they will not turn to the Lord and be CONVERTED !!!
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I was converted

Not to a lagalistic jew, but to a born again child of God,

THank you.
 
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beta said:
Don't be too hasty in your reasoning....people have to be converted to the TRUTH...that is the whole point of conversion ! TRUTH ! not changed from one false belief to another...that's not true conversion.
I'm sorry if I'm offending you...but it's the SICK who need a Doctor not those who are well...so I have needs be talk to the sick ! sorry to offend ! I know medicine can be very nasty !
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Thats the problem, the law can not heal anyone, only christ can, some people want to pervert the truth and try to get us to follow the law when they do not even understand the law or its purpose, as paul said, desiring to be teachers of the law they neither understand what they say, nor what the purpose of th law was (1 Tim 1:7)

THey try to force christians to eat a pill which can not heal them
 
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IPAD does not like this, sometimes you can bold a reaponse sometimes you cant..lol
 
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beta said:
There is no scripture telling us the Lords day is sunday...not one ! you are adding to scripture and teaching it as truth....bad idea !
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the lords day honors christs work, the sabbath day is for man to rest. Hudge difference
 
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Good morning friends, Hope all is well.

Here is just one example of how the Messiah handled the pharisees man made religion.

Mathew 15:7-9
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Isaiah 29:13
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

When our heart and actions are in line, that is worshiping in spirit and truth
 
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I just realized that this is another example that Jesus is the God of the old testament.
 
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Mathew 4:7
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God

Who was satan tempting, what we thought was the LORD of the old testament or Jesus?
 
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John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Psalm 199:105
Thy word(Torah) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
 
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Mathew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
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Jeremiah74 said:
Mathew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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the context of that conversation was Jesus talking with a cannanite women who was asking Him to heal her daughter . he told her what you posted. they talked some more, and then Jesus healed her daughter , saying " women , you have great faith ".

great faith. not great law keeping.
 
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Jeremiah74 said:
Mathew 4:7
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God

Who was satan tempting, what we thought was the LORD of the old testament or Jesus?
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He was tempting God and Jesus, Because the father is in him and he is in the father.
 
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joefizz said:
Hmm I finally get on here to check the site out and lo and behold someone wants others to "submit" to their "belief" I hope you're not expecting a great multitude to buy into your banter because anyone can witness the shroud you hide behind whether believer or not it's very easy to spot "selfish,self righteous" people don't you have anything more "productive" to be doing?
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I don't want to upset anyone, I just like to talk about Jesus, and I never see anyone who like to do the same. I am a believer in Jesus , but I do not attend Church, because I believe that it is designed to keep you in infancy. So I wanted to talk with other believers. So I apologize if I have upset anyone.
 
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