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Yahshua

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Fourth Day (evening) - Last Supper, Betrayal [John 13:1-2]
Fourth Day (midnight)
Fourth Day (morning) - Trial & Crucifixion, Passover/Preparation Day (Lambs sacrificed & prepared) [Luke 23:54; John 19:31]

- The two Marys are with John, the Mother of Christ and other followers at cross witnessing his death [John 19:25]
- Nicodemus and Joseph place Christ's body in tomb since it was almost High Sabbath [Luke 23:55; John 19:41]
- The Marys follow to see where Christ is taken and how he was buried...[Luke 23:55]
- The Marys then leave to prepare burial spices to anoint his body after (High) Sabbath [Luke 23:56]
- Nicodemus brings burial spices and anoint the body of Christ [John 19:39-40]

Fifth Day (evening) - High Sabbath Feast of Unleavened Bread (night 1) [John 19:31]
Fifth Day (midnight)
Fifth Day (morning)
- High Sabbath Feast (day 1)

- High Sabbath day ("Sabbato" GRK.) of feast ends at sunset...

Sixth Day (evening) - Second night of the feast, normal evening (night 2)
Sixth Day (midnight)
Sixth Day (morning)
- Second feast day, work day (day 2);

- The two Marys bought/purchased ("ēgorasan" GRK.) their spices [Mark 16:1]

Seventh Day (evening) - Third night of the feast & weekly Sabbath (night 3)
Seventh Day (midnight)
Seventh Day (morning)
- Third feast day, weekly Sabbath (day 3),

- Exactly 3 days & 3 nights have past. Christ resurrects now just before the evening of new week [Matthew 28:1]
- Many other saints resurrect also and are seen by many. [Matt 27:52-53]
- Christ begins preaching to the spirits in prison/pit; those from the time of Noah [1 Peter 3:19]

First Day (evening) - Fourth night of the feast; Christ preaches to spirits in prison/pit
Fifth Day (midnight) - Christ preaches to spirits in prison/pit
First Day (morning) - Fourth feast day, day of first fruits

- After the week ("Sabbaton" GRK.), began dawning the first day of the (new) week ("Sabbaton" GRK.) [Matt 28:1]
- Very early on the first day of the week ("Sabbaton" GRK.), the Marys came to the tomb as the sun was rising [Mark 16:2]
- The Marys brought ("pherousai" GRK.) the spices they had prepared, to the tomb to anoint Christ's body [Luke 24:1]
- Early first day of week ("Sabbaton" GRK.) Mary come to tomb still dark with stone rolled way [John 20:1]
- Christ calls to Mary :eek::cry::cry::cry:
- Christ tells Mary not to touch since he must ascend (to offer the risen saints as "firstfruits") [Leviticus 23:10-14; John 20:17-19]

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Apparently The Marys didn't know Nico was bringing his own burial spices, but the holiday was about to begin. So they planned to prepare their own spices for Christ's body to anoint him after the holiday.

Scripture says they purchased their spices after the High Sabbath feast day since merchants would've been been closed for the holiday.

But if they went to the tomb very early in the morning - at the start of sunrise while it's still dark - when would they have had time to buy these spices unless there was an extra work day in between the holiday and the first day of the new week...or a late night quickie-mart.
 
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John was in the spirit on the Day of the Lord, has nothing to do with Sunday or any day of the week. The Day of the Lord as stated in Revelation and most of the prophets are talking of the day of His return. I am still waiting for scripture references as to the apostolic period of Christians making Sunday their Sabbath.


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I meant, waiting for a biblical proof that sunday is sabbath
is boring

and I've read Genesis chapter 1-2, John chapter 1, Matthew 1 (genealogies), etc.
 

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If one is capable of responding to this question...actually two questions, he will have no prolem understanding the truth on the fabricated issue of the Sabbath of the Lord.

Who gave mankind the Sabbath of the Lor (hint, whose Sabbath is it), and Who designated it to be the Seventh Day?

Man or God?

Who changed the s Seventh Day gift tothe first day of creation day?

Man or God?

Nofurther discussion necessary.
That last part is both silly and optimistic. It's a discussion board not a declaration page.

Answers in order. God gave the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.
Who changed the day? The Roman's in the church. Sunday was literally the day of the sun worship in ancient Roman culture. To avoid being persecuted the church moved their holy day of celebration to the day of the Romans. In order to avoid being persecuted. It seemed like they were worshiping on the same day as the pagans. And pagan leaders couldn't rightly persecute Christian leaders and the faithful on a day when the pagan god's and goddesses were being revered.

We have our rest in Christ. But he never said don't follow that commandment in the list of ten moral edicts.
 

posthuman

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That is what I am saying...we are to convert to GOD !!! we are not talking about Jews or what they want. Let us focus on the Lord God and what HE wants !
If He wants circumcision of the heart, not the flesh, and such circumcision can only be done by His hand, not by human hands, yet He formerly commanded it physically and now does not hold believers to this fleshly rite but performs it Himself spiritually...

What does that say about other things that were formerly commanded to be physically carried out in the shadow which is the Sinai covenant Law?
 

Studyman

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Perhaps once you figure out the difference between the Lord's Day and the Day of the Lord, we can look into other questions. Now read this from John Gill's Commentary and clear your mind of every doubt:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day

Not on the Jewish sabbath,
which was now abolished, nor was that ever called the Lord's day, and had John meant that, he would have said on the sabbath day; much less the Jewish passover, but the first day of the week is designed
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Maybe in the catholic and all her daughters churches. But the Bible says the Sabbath, that the Word which became Flesh created for man, would not pass until "ALL" has been fulfilled.

Is.66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

This is just one of many prophesies that have not yet been fulfilled.

It might be prudent to note that God is not a man, or a Jew and the Sabbath is not a Jewish Sabbath, but created by, sanctified by, and made Holy by God. The foundation of this preacher you posted, which you are free to have Faith in, is built on the False teaching that God's Sabbath has been abolished. Jesus never teaches this anywhere, not as a man, and not as the Word which became Flesh. This is why I think we were warned against "Men" who come in Christ's Name".

If his foundation is false, everything he says is false. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump".

This is why I don't study man's word for instruction in righteousness or doctrine. The Scriptures are to be used for these things. Why would I trust man over God?
 

gb9

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well, the greek word for Sabbath is Sabbton, that word is NOT used for ……….in the Sprit on the Lord's Day.

the pope and bennie hinn and the catholic church did not write the greek language.

since you think that the translations are corrupted , but you refuse to provide a source , why should I trust a man who ignores language, but will not provide a public source for all to see the correct translations.
 

Studyman

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well, the greek word for Sabbath is Sabbton, that word is NOT used for ……….in the Sprit on the Lord's Day.

the pope and bennie hinn and the catholic church did not write the greek language.

since you think that the translations are corrupted , but you refuse to provide a source , why should I trust a man who ignores language, but will not provide a public source for all to see the correct translations.
Look G9. You said you shopped for a church and finally found one that didn't teach "Traditions of man". Yet you refuse to share with your brothers on this forum these imposter churches so they could escape their "man made" preaching. Further more, you said you finally found a church you trust which teaches the truth about God, and you checked their teaching every day to make sure, yet you also refuse to share the name of this church with your brothers on this forum so they can, in turn, escape the deception of men who preach their own visions, and not the Word of God.

I don't understand why you would not want your brothers to know about the churches which don't preach God's Word. And I don't understand why you wouldn't share with them a church you said does teach God's Word.

14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Are you saying I need something more that His Word's to believe that the Priests corrupted God's Word?
 

beta

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If He wants circumcision of the heart, not the flesh, and such circumcision can only be done by His hand, not by human hands, yet He formerly commanded it physically and now does not hold believers to this fleshly rite but performs it Himself spiritually...

What does that say about other things that were formerly commanded to be physically carried out in the shadow which is the Sinai covenant Law?
I have never mentioned circumcision in my posts, it's what you are discussing with SM which I am not following. But since you mention it to me I will tell you my understanding of it.
PHYSICAL circ. is no longer required in the NT....NOW we (men and women) are circumcised by GOD in the heart.
 

posthuman

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PHYSICAL circ. is no longer required in the NT....NOW we (men and women) are circumcised by GOD in the heart.
yes, that's what i said.

is this change in requirement meaningful? what does it imply? what should we learn from this fact?
 

beta

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yes, that's what i said.

is this change in requirement meaningful? what does it imply? what should we learn from this fact?
I know that is what you said and I agree. Phys circ is no longer required.
 

posthuman

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I know that is what you said and I agree. Phys circ is no longer required.
Yes

But you haven't given much thought to what this means, i guess?
That's ok. I'm finding I think that few people have.


Probably I should start a thread on the subject...
 

OstrichSmiling

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If one is capable of responding to this question...actually two questions, he will have no prolem understanding the truth on the fabricated issue of the Sabbath of the Lord.

Who gave mankind the Sabbath of the Lor (hint, whose Sabbath is it), and Who designated it to be the Seventh Day?

Man or God?

Who changed the s Seventh Day gift tothe first day of creation day?

Man or God?

Nofurther discussion necessary.
Isaiah 56 is pretty clear. So too I would say is Exodus 20:1. And after our Lord's crucifixion, after he taught that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, and he healed people on that holy day being he was the same Lord holy spirit that ordained the Sabbath day in the beginning, we must I think remember that the women who were in Christ's company rested on the Sabbath day. Having previously prepared spices and herbs to anoint their Lord's body taken down from the cross and made ready for the tomb. Luke 23.

The Sabbath then and now is what it is. With all the detail Christ gave in his ministry as pertained to right teaching of salvation and the gospel road, if he had changed the Sabbath date he would have detailed that too. That the Disciples when anointed by him for their duty as Apostles carrying forth the truth, the great commission that Jesus gave them, would know that.
 

MattforJesus

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Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

These are His statutes , according to the order of His ruling.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

This is concerning the millennial reign of Christ, and the carcases that lay upon the ground is the heathen at the battle of Armageddon when Jesus defeats the world before the millennial reign starts.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

In the millennial reign of Christ, Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that God spared that fought against Israel, the Jews, and they have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD, and keep the feast of tabernacles, a physical ordinance, and keep the physical sabbath day, because they cannot be spiritual for they took the mark of the beast, so they have to keep the physical ordinances to be right with God.

But the nation of Israel turned to the truth, and the saints are spiritual and do not have to keep the physical ordinances.

But right now what the heathen are supposed to obey is the New Testament, where the sabbath is spiritual when a person receives the Spirit, for God said with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to these people saying, this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing, yet they would not hear, and we take Jesus' yoke upon us and find rest for our souls, and Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way because they had no bearing on spiritual salvation, including the physical sabbath, and we celebrate the new heaven and new earth that Jesus went away to prepare where the saints will be at forever after the millennial reign of Christ on earth.

But in the millennial reign the heathen cannot be spiritual, and still have punishment coming, but God postponed their punishment until the end of the millennial reign, so they have to keep the physical ordinances of Israel to be right with God.

But right now the heathen are supposed to acknowledge the New Testament which is the spiritual sabbath by the Spirit, but when salvation is not available to them for the heathen God spared in the millennial reign of Christ then all they can obey is the physical ordinances of Israel to be right with God, which if they do not then punishment will come upon them, for Jesus will rule with a rod of iron concerning the heathen.

We do not have to acknowledge a physical sabbath, and it has no bearing on spiritual salvation and that is why Jesus took it out of the way, for it kept them right with God in the Old Testament, but not necessary in the New Testament, and the Spirit keeps them right before God, and a spiritual sabbath, and the sabbath was not made for man, but man for the sabbath, so it is people that are important, and the sabbath can change, or not apply such as the physical sabbath.

The same as man was not made for the earth, but the earth was made for man, so the earth can change which it does for there will be a new earth that the saints will dwell at, the New Jerusalem.

Without people the earth serves no purpose, but without the earth the people still abide and have purpose, and without people the sabbath serves no purpose, but without the physical sabbath the people still abide and have purpose.

The Spirit to replace the physical sabbath, and a new earth to replace the old earth, and the saints are wanderers, wandering through the land seeking a better home, one provided by God, so this earth is not their home, and the physical sabbath is not their sabbath, and when a person receives the Spirit then behold the kingdom of God is within them, a spiritual kingdom, and that is their home, and that is their sabbath, a spiritual sabbath connected with that spiritual kingdom, where the physical sabbath is connected with this physical earth. but the saints do not belong to this earth, but the spiritual new earth.
 

MattforJesus

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We do not have to acknowledge a physical sabbath, and it has no bearing on spiritual salvation and that is why Jesus took it out of the way, for it kept them right with God in the Old Testament, but not necessary in the New Testament, and the Spirit keeps them right before God, and a spiritual sabbath, and the sabbath was not made for man, but man for the sabbath, so it is people that are important, and the sabbath can change, or not apply such as the physical sabbath.

I put the sabbath was not made for man, but man for the sabbath, but I meant to post man was not made for the sabbath, but the sabbath for man, which people probably know it was a mistake for what I wrote after, but I still have to point it out, and it trips me out that I am not more attentive, and it trips me out why it comes out that way when I know how it should come out.
 

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We do not have to acknowledge a physical sabbath, and it has no bearing on spiritual salvation and that is why Jesus took it out of the way, for it kept them right with God in the Old Testament, but not necessary in the New Testament, and the Spirit keeps them right before God, and a spiritual sabbath, and the sabbath was not made for man, but man for the sabbath, so it is people that are important, and the sabbath can change, or not apply such as the physical sabbath.

I put the sabbath was not made for man, but man for the sabbath, but I meant to post man was not made for the sabbath, but the sabbath for man, which people probably know it was a mistake for what I wrote after, but I still have to point it out, and it trips me out that I am not more attentive, and it trips me out why it comes out that way when I know how it should come out.
As is per normal for you MattforJesus, if you had a message to convey it was lost during the amount and repetition of words. You should gather your thoughts and plan a small precise delivery.

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Who gave mankind the Sabbath of the Lor (hint, whose Sabbath is it), and Who designated it to be the Seventh Day?
Man or God?
God establish this to the Jews:

  • "Tu, pois, fala aos filhos de Israel, dizendo: Certamente guardareis meus sábados; porquanto isso é um sinal entre mim e vós nas vossas gerações; para que saibais que eu sou o SENHOR, que vos santifica." (Êxodo 31.13).
And this becauseof their hardheartedness (Matt 19.8). After all, who loves the Lord desires to praise and worship Him twenty-four hours a day, and not only a day in a week.
 

JaumeJ

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God establish this to the Jews:

  • "Tu, pois, fala aos filhos de Israel, dizendo: Certamente guardareis meus sábados; porquanto isso é um sinal entre mim e vós nas vossas gerações; para que saibais que eu sou o SENHOR, que vos santifica." (Êxodo 31.13).
And this becauseof their hardheartedness (Matt 19.8). After all, who loves the Lord desires to praise and worship Him twenty-four hours a day, and not only a day in a week.
Of course we adore and worship our blessed God twenty-four hours....yet the gift of the Seventh Day is that special day when we are to imitate Him by resting from ur mundane labors and spend a day with Him......His gift to us. Understand the law with mercy, justice and faith; that advice and truth is from Jesus.
 

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Jaume,
What I am going to say is not meant as a criticism.

You aren't yet understanding being one with Jesus if you are following any law. That was His prayer for us His body. That we would come to understand this.

In being one, we are walking in Him daily...aware of His Presence always, and then moving in and with Him. There is nothing in between to keep Him seperate from us. Personally or as a whole together.

I am not there yet. However, I see it. The truth of this. And my motto is, if you see it, you can be it.

Truth comes as revelation first....experience brings faith. Faith is you know that you know that you know. Unshakable. Not just belief.

Our biggest enemy? I believe is our own "self".
 

JaumeJ

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I believe I am doing my best to obey Jesus Christ. If you have followed my posting,, you would knowthat I am well aware teh law is now on my heart transcribed by the Holy Spirit. I could never be following the law other than that nature which has been put within, the new person made by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

When I may sound as though I am "following a law or laws," it is only bcause I am repeating the teaching of Jesus Christ, our great Rabbi, Master, Teacher...all three are the same.

God bless you always in Jesus Christ.