A Simple Question, No Contention, No Controversy

I don't want to upset anyone, I just like to talk about Jesus, and I never see anyone who like to do the same. I am a believer in Jesus , but I do not attend Church, because I believe that it is designed to keep you in infancy. So I wanted to talk with other believers. So I apologize if I have upset anyone.

I don't want to upset anyone, I just like to talk about Jesus, and I never see anyone who like to do the same. I am a believer in Jesus , but I do not attend Church, because I believe that it is designed to keep you in infancy. So I wanted to talk with other believers. So I apologize if I have upset anyone.

I don't want to upset anyone, I just like to talk about Jesus, and I never see anyone who like to do the same. I am a believer in Jesus , but I do not attend Church, because I believe that it is designed to keep you in infancy. So I wanted to talk with other believers. So I apologize if I have upset anyone.

well, there is a lot of false teaching in this thread by what Paul would call judaizers , trying to convince others that you have to keep the law/ Sabbath to be saved.

so, if you preach salvation by grace and faith through Christ., you are going to upset them. watch. they will attack what I said here, claim they DO believe in Jesus, but them jump back into law/sabbath keeping.

the last time the Sabbath was mentioned in the N.T. was the letter of Colossians. , so a large chunk of the N.T. does not even mention it.

And guess what? Paul calls "sabbaths" SHADOWS of things to come. When there is a shadow, we should look for the reality. So he calls Christ the reality. Christ is our Sabbath Rest. We enter into God's perfect and eternal rest through Christ, who is our Peace, our Righteousness, and our Sanctification.

Furthermore, if sabbath-keeping was for the Church, it would have been clearly stated in Acts 15.

well, there is a lot of false teaching in this thread by what Paul would call judaizers , trying to convince others that you have to keep the law/ Sabbath to be saved.

so, if you preach salvation by grace and faith through Christ., you are going to upset them. watch. they will attack what I said here, claim they DO believe in Jesus, but them jump back into law/sabbath keeping.

Be converted to God, not jews,

The jews tried to convert christians To be jews and paul wrote half the nt exposing them,

...if one chooses to keep it, that is fine. but, it has nothing to do with salvation through faith in Christ...

The Sabbath was to commemorate a finished creation.
The first day of the week is to commemorate a finished redemption.

You have to understand something...
God's laws that were obeyed physically under Moses are now obeyed spiritually under Christ. This is why we no longer take adulterers outside the city and stoned them to death, or sacrifice a physically perfect lamb by a high priest, pay for certain things with certain animals instead of money, or perform physical circumcision for religious reasons.

...Or physically rest on a physical day. Our sabbath is now done spiritually, and is called "The peace that surpasses understanding."

(ROMANS 7:1-4)

And ever since the apostolic period, Christians met for worship on the Lord's Day, and made it their sabbath also (just as Jews worship on sabbath days).

Neither does it have anything to do with the Christian walk.

It is the Jews who presently observe their sabbaths, and reject Christ. So for a Christian to revert to the shadow (the sabbath) is to also reject the teachings of Christ regarding the Lord's Day. How could the apostle John call the first day of the week "the Lord's Day" unless the Lord Himself had instructed him to do so? Why has no one given this some serious thought? John could not have possibly concocted this on his own. And ever since the apostolic period, Christians met for worship on the Lord's Day, and made it their sabbath also (just as Jews worship on sabbath days).

John was in the spirit on the Day of the Lord, has nothing to do with Sunday or any day of the week. The Day of the Lord as stated in Revelation...

John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Psalm 199:105
Thy word(Torah) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

well, there is a lot of false teaching in this thread by what Paul would call judaizers , trying to convince others that you have to keep the law/ Sabbath to be saved.

so, if you preach salvation by grace and faith through Christ., you are going to upset them. watch. they will attack what I said here, claim they DO believe in Jesus, but them jump back into law/sabbath keeping.

Perhaps once you figure out the difference between the Lord's Day and the Day of the Lord, we can look into other questions. Now read this from John Gill's Commentary and clear your mind of every doubt:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day

Not on the Jewish sabbath, which was now abolished, nor was that ever called the Lord's day, and had John meant that, he would have said on the sabbath day; much less the Jewish passover, but the first day of the week is designed; so the Ethiopic version renders it "on the first day"; and is so called just as the ordinance of the supper is called the Lord's supper, being instituted by the Lord, and the Lord's table, ( 1 Corinthians 10:21 ) ( 11:20 ) , and that because it was the day in which our Lord rose from the dead, ( Mark 16:9 ) ; and in which he appeared at different times to his disciples, ( John 20:19 John 20:26 ) , and which the primitive churches set apart for his worship and service, and on which they met together to hear the word, and attend on ordinances, ( Acts 20:7 ) ( 1 Corinthians 16:1 );

And Justin Martyr tells us, who lived within about fifty years after this time, that on the day called (th tou) (hliou hmera) , "Sunday", (by the Greeks,) the Christians met together in one place, and read the Scriptures, and prayed together, and administered the ordinance of the supper; and this, he adds, was the first day in which God created the World, and our Saviour Jesus Christ rose from the dead;

Yea, Barnabas , the companion of the Apostle Paul, calls this day the eighth day, in distinction from the seventh day sabbath of the Jews, and which he says is the beginning of another world; and therefore we keep the eighth day, adds he, joyfully, in which Jesus rose from the dead, and being manifested, ascended unto heaven: and this day was known by the ancients by the name of "the Lord's day";

As by Ignatius , Irenaeus , Tertullian , Origen , and others; for it must be some day that was known by this name, otherwise it is mentioned to no purpose, because it would not be distinctive from others; for which reason it cannot merely design the day in which John saw this vision, because the Lord appeared on it to him, for this would not distinguish it from any other day.

Some have conjectured that this was not the weekly Lord's day observed by the Christians, but the anniversary of Christ's resurrection; and so the Ethiopians still call Easter "Schambatah Crostos", the sabbath of Christ: to understand it of the former is best.

Now, though John was driven from the house and worship of God, and could not join with the saints in the public worship of that day; yet he was employed in spiritual contemplations and exercises, and was under a more than ordinary influence of the Spirit of God; and his spirit or soul was wholly intent upon, and taken up with divine and spiritual things, with visions and representations that were made unto his mind, which he perceived in his spirit, and not with the organs of his body; he was in an ecstasy of spirit, and knew not scarcely whether he was in the body or out of it:

I see you mention 'rising from the dead and ascending to heaven as 'one and the same event'...and this is where people have got it wrong !!!
It is NOT the same event on the same day ! IF they were to study scripture CAREFULLY they would see that...but they have fallen for the FALSE teaching by the ROMAN church RCC setting up THEIR OWN worship day.

True, Jesus ascended to heaven on sunday (just like the Sheaf was lifted up on the first day of the week) to present Himself to the Father. So even as this was CORRECT He did NOT rise from the dead on sunday but just BEFORE sunset on the Sabbath....He was already risen early sunday morning and was NOT recognised even by Mary his most devout follower who thought Jesus was the Gardener. Scripture tells us the exact TIMELINE if only paople would believe....AND THEIR UNbelief IS COSTING THEM THE TRUTH....with far reaching consequences !