Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

We should all forgive each other all the time because - quite frankly none of us are acting perfectly about everything as we should !
For me the most important thing is to 'follow the ONLY TRUE LORD who can SAVE. As long as people serve two different Llords they will never agree.

is it possible for a person to keep what's instructed in Romans 14 while simultaneously accusing of idolatry everyone who is not "fully convinced in their own mind" of exactly the same thing as that person is?

in Psalm 90:4 three things are compared:

a thousand years
a day
a watch in the night ((usually either 3 or 4 hours dep. on historical context))

if we're trying to make an equation from this we may equally write 1,000yr = 3hr
with every bit as much justification as 1d = 1,000yr

if 1,000yr = 3hr then 1d = 8*(3hr) = 8,000yr

the word "like/as" becomes rather important

i believe the first mention of His salvation is in Genesis 3, not Exodus 12

perhaps you should define what you personally are referring to when you in particular use the word 'passover'

Jesus, when accused of evil for the things He did on the 7th day, replied that His Father is always working, and He too is working. ((re: John 5:17))
His apostle teaches that whatever you work at, work as though for the Lord. ((re: Col. 3:23))

i believe you are the only person i have ever seen on the forum ever mention golf.


how does He call this "new" ?

studyman does not give definitions. or sources that define or use the language he uses.

I am starting to think that studydude thinks he is a prophet, and gets divine revelation and owes us no explanation. we should just except what he says, even if the Bible does NOT say it.

jmo.

I have to go by what the Word which became Flesh said.

The Mainstream Preachers of His time who were in charge of the administration of God's Word omitted this part of the Law.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

They were in charge of administering God's Laws to the people.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

But Jesus, as the Word, always taught to Love each other.

Lev. 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

So this Commandment was "New" to the people who were being taught "Doctrines from the Commandments of Men" from the Mainstream Preachers of their time, but not New to Jesus as the scripture clearly point out.

The way I see Rom 14 is to cause much confusion. It seems to give the impression that people are in the right when their own conscience tells them so.
I believe this is one of PAUL's HARD TO UNDERSTAND Writings'.
It can NEVER be right to listen to your own conscience (which can be damaged 1Tim 4v2 and we be UNaware of) ABOVE what GOD SAYS !!! And I don't think Paul meant it to be understood that way. Sadly christianity has taken it the wrong way and has led them into the stubborn resistance they nurture against the TRUE LORD of the Sabbath.

obviously ought to, but you have free will.

so what does He say?
He said He gives a "new commandment" - He doesn't say "I repeat an existing commandment" so we should consider it the way He says it, not otherwise.


He calls the commandment He gives "new"

here are two ways this could make sense; there may be more:

1. He has taken those He is speaking to out from under the old commandments, therefore any command He now gives them is "new"
2. when He says "love one another as I have loved you" it does not mean the same thing as "love your neighbor as thyself" therefore it is "new"

I disagree that loving your neighbor is the base for all the other laws. I believe that Jesus taught through his Representatives that loving your neighbor is the Fulfillment of the other laws.

peace be with you!

Thats true, but luckily we have a second witness in 2 Peter 3:8 to help us lock down what is meant.

Testimony of two or more establishes a matter

I believe Paul was saying, and I have always agreed, that men need to be convinced in their own mind that God's way is better than their religious traditions. That if you force someone to do something, like respect and honor God and His Word, there is no willful change of mind. Repentance must be a willful act, a choice. Man must choose God from the heart.

Paul gives them God's instruction, but they must accept it and be convinced in their own mind.

And yet in your Bible, and in mine, and in His, are the Commands He gave for us to Love our neighbor, and the Stranger as ourselves. Do you believe Jesus didn't know it was there?

And in your Bible and mine, Jesus Himself said that the Mainstream Preachers of their time, who had taught these Jews since their youth, the "Commandments of man" and had not taught this part of God's Commandments.

I think it is ridiculous the way you just erase scriptures which don't align with your ancient religious traditions.

I think it's interesting, and great, that you, Studyman, and I all liked that post!

what I heard in it was, keep all the laws, keep them all spiritually.

As I see it 'loving neighbour as ourselves' is not the correct instruction and implies 'human selfishness.....hence Jesus' NEW command 'to love as HE loved = totally selfLESS and OUTgoing. There are other things mentioned in the Bible but we are NOT to imitate. People need to read the fine print to get into detail. Christians/mainstream have never walked with the Lord of the Sabbath and have yet much to learn to turn them from traditions of men. Let's be patient and bear their brick-bats/stone-throwing in their ignorance. God willing one day they will learn !

thank you for saying what I ( and probably others ) already know- you, and the others judaizers, are NOT Christian. why do I say that? because, Christians believe in and trust the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. with us, Jesus is all in all. Paul said the same thing in his opening to the letter to the Colossians.

you guys simply use Jesus to point back to Sinai. you point to law-keeping for salvation.

and, Paul's writings are not confusing if you accept the truth of Trinity, gentiles never had the Law, Sabbath has nothing to do with salvation by grace through faith, and the Jerimiah 31 covenant was for jews only, since it talks about the land of Israel.

Romans 14 is not confusing if you accept that all foods are clean, and since gentiles never had the dietary laws, that is why Paul is saying this, to teach. do you accept His words as Scripture? I do.

just like you, with your ridiculous oneness garbage defy God the Father, saying of the Son, " hear Him ". another Scripture you are in contempt of.

got a source yet? you know, one of your bros mentioned " out of the mouths of two or three witnesses " , just a few posts back.

is he right? or how, if he uses this, and you do not, considering both of you say pretty much the same thing, how are you justified not to??

IIRC you still seek to hold believers to dietary commandments and judge them over it, correct?

i believe you need to read Romans 14 more closely, without prejudice.

he is saying the same thing about the observance of special days as he is about the observance of special foods, and it is very clear that he's not saying the person who sees some food as unclean does so because they are ignorant of God's will. he says exactly the opposite of them; that the person who doesn't eat does so because their faith is weak - but do not judge them over it.