Not By Works

CAN YOU PROVIDE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS JESUS WAS “CURSED" ASIDE FROM
PAUL’S? I DON’T MEAN THAT HE HIMSELF CALLED JESUS “CURSED" BUT ONLY THOSE
WHO TEACH A GOSPEL OF ANOTHER KIND WHICH IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than
the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so
now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted,
let him be eternally condemned!

WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SAYS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW.(rom 3:19).

IT WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 We also know that LAW IS MADE NOT FOR THE RIGHTEOUS but for
lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their
fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and LIARS and
perjurers—and for whatever else is CONTRARY TO THE SOUND DOCTRINE that conforms to
the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

OUR LORD DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF UNDER THE LAW WHEN HE SAID;

John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in THEIR Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH".

1 Corinthians 15:55-57 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The
sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the
victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

“BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US" MEANS “ BY DYING FOR US" SINCE THE CURSE OF
THE LAW IS “DEATH”, AND THE GOSPEL CLEARLY SAYS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR THE
FORGIVENESS OF SINS(JUSTIFICATION).

NOWHERE IN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TELLS US THAT “HE WAS CURSED” FOR THE
FORGIVENESS OF SINS.


JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND THAT WORD IS GOD.(john 1:1-3 & 14)
GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY, THE ALMIGHTY LIVING GOD, THE
CREATOR, LAW GIVER AND THE JUDGE(james 4:12) AND NO ONE CAN JUDGE OR
CURSE HIM OR CALL HIM “CURSED".

Galatians 3:10,13 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed
is everyone who DOES NOT CONTINUE TO DO everything written in the Book of the Law.”

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US, for it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

1 Corinthians 2:10-16 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things,
even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the
man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may
understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by
human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they
are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

PAUL CLEARLY DESCRIBED WHO ARE THOSE HE CONSIDERED “CURSED”;

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is
everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

UNDERSTANDING THE ABOVE VERSE WILL BRING US TO THE CORRECT
UNDERSTANDING OF THE FF: VERSE;

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH"
AND ACCORDING TO JOHN “THE WORD IS GOD". (john 1:1-3 & 14)
GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY WHO CREATED THE LAW FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO WHAT IS MAN TO CALL HIM “CURSED"?

WHO AMONG BELIEVERS WOULD QUESTION GOD’S VULNERABILITY TO CURSES OR
WHATEVER EVIL ACTS AGAINST HIM? ...PETER EXPLAINS IT BETTER;

2 Peter 3:14-18 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience
means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave
him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters
contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE
people DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear
friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by
the ERROR of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and
knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever!
Amen.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He
has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy,
strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind,
who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial
gain.

isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light
and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who
are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at
drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny
justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks
down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for
THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD
OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

Hebrews 10:26-29 If we DELIBERATELY keep on sinning after we have received the
KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who
has TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD under foot, who has TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF
GRACE?

.. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED…

...LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR…

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through me.

You've been a member here since June 2016. I seem to remember another who's profile said they joined around that date.Took the name of an angel with 2020 vision?

Have you read? That even the Devil can quote scripture.
King Jesus was born as a baby in a manger, a feed trough. He made baby sounds and was wide eyed with wonder at the world. And kings knelt at his feet bringing frankincense and myrrh and precious gifts to him so that he would never have to work a day in his life.

God knows your heart Echoes. Even past all that screaming he sees you.

Yes I do. And what do the fruits of the spirit lead to? They lead to fruits of the KOG. What are fruits of the KOG. They are people who have been served in many different ways and because of that service, they have been converted to a belief in Jesus Christ and the KOG has expanded.

What does the KOG stand for. I never heard anyone else ever use KOG.

Hello OstrichSmilling, and welcome to Christianchat.com.

It would help everyone here if we knew who you are referring to in your posts. I think you write a very nice post but if there is "no name" at the beginning of what you are writing about, or to whom you are writing to, how do we know who should or should not to respond to your post.

As an example you wrote the date; June 2016, and a friend named Angel who had 2020 vision. So that I believe your post was not directed at me or again maybe it was. I have made a few friends here and I find this Christian forum to be very friendly -- I hope you enjoy your time here as well.

God bless

You've been a member here since June 2016. I seem to remember another who's profile said they joined around that date.Took the name of an angel with 2020 vision?

Have you read? That even the Devil can quote scripture.
King Jesus was born as a baby in a manger, a feed trough. He made baby sounds and was wide eyed with wonder at the world. And kings knelt at his feet bringing frankincense and myrrh and precious gifts to him so that he would never have to work a day in his life.

God knows your heart Echoes. Even past all that screaming he sees you.

You've been a member here since June 2016. I seem to remember another who's profile said they joined around that date.Took the name of an angel with 2020 vision?

Have you read? That even the Devil can quote scripture.
King Jesus was born as a baby in a manger, a feed trough. He made baby sounds and was wide eyed with wonder at the world. And kings knelt at his feet bringing frankincense and myrrh and precious gifts to him so that he would never have to work a day in his life.

God knows your heart Echoes. Even past all that screaming he sees you.

KOG=Kingdom Of God

Not to mention he dismisses the words of Paul in Galatians concerning JESUS being made a curse for us...His roman Catholic dogma blinds him to the truth......I put him on ignore a long time ago..He twists what we say, embellishes what we say, flat misrepresents what we say, ignores all truth that proves his error and spews his Catholic dogma...i got tired of dealing with him...he is very deceptive....anyway...back to the regularly scheduled programming.....

That seems strange to me, why would anyone want to abbreviate Kingdom of GOD? I seems like an insult to me.

Thanks for asking. I have this habit of noticing patterns when they appear in everyday life among people or events. And also I find I am easily attentive to what can appear as an anagram.
My post that you refer to was directed @Seohce, which can be an anagram for, echoes. Just something I see with my predilection to noticing anagrams from time to time. And they were whom I quoted. The allusion in the angel 2020 vision remark was to veil the reference to one Gabriel2020. For whom Seohce seems to be similar in posting style.
I hope that helps you. Thank you for the welcome. And may God also bless you

I have friends that were raised RC. To be fair , they are typically baptized into the church as babies. And are raised in the RCC dogma and remain affiliated as long as they live. For the most part.
There is a term for what transpires in that situation. And actually the child rearing behaviors we learn and act out as we grow up.
Hard wiring. "We know what we're told".
I don't think it is that they refuse to listen. It is that they were hardwired as an impressionable child to believe the RCC dogma as they do. And remember when any religious doctrine is taught to a young impressionable mind , in this case any variable of Christianity, as in the matter of the RCC dogma, it includes the instruction concerning damnation for any variant .

Not to mention he dismisses the words of Paul in Galatians concerning JESUS being made a curse for us...His roman Catholic dogma blinds him to the truth......I put him on ignore a long time ago..He twists what we say, embellishes what we say, flat misrepresents what we say, ignores all truth that proves his error and spews his Catholic dogma...i got tired of dealing with him...he is very deceptive....anyway...back to the regularly scheduled programming.....

Not to mention he dismisses the words of Paul in Galatians concerning JESUS being made a curse for us...His roman Catholic dogma blinds him to the truth......I put him on ignore a long time ago..He twists what we say, embellishes what we say, flat misrepresents what we say, ignores all truth that proves his error and spews his Catholic dogma...i got tired of dealing with him...he is very deceptive....anyway...back to the regularly scheduled programming.....

I'M NOT SCREAMING AS YOU THINK I AM. I JUST WANT TO SEPARATE MY OWN WORDS WHICH IS OF NO VALUE COMPARED TO GOD'S WORDS AND THE SCRIPTURES WHICH MATTERS THE MOST BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT PPRINTED ON "CAPS". AS A PERSON SUFFERING FROM A RARE CASE OF EYE DISEASE CALLED "RETINITIS PIGMENTOSA WHICH DISABLES ME TO READ AND TYPE AS A NORMAL PERSON WOULD, IT'S A COMFORT FOR ME TO USE "CAPS" WHEN I TYPE.

HERE'S JUST ONE PASSAGE THAT GUIDES MY BELIEF;

1 Corinthians 4:1-7 Apostles of Christ So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

I don't see it that way. Some use the acronym to save space. Or they're just into chat speak even on a forum.

what you just said here is salvation is based on obedience. that is 100% false. in Titus 3, which you quoted, Paul says " not by works of rightiouness we have done, but according to His mercy, he saved us".

What does the KOG stand for. I never heard anyone else ever use KOG.

That seems strange to me, why would anyone want to abbreviate Kingdom of GOD? I seems like an insult to me.

Do you disagree, that we are to obey the Gospel, in order to be saved?


in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8

• on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

and again


22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23


again


14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
Romans 10:14-16



Please explain how a person who does not obey the Gospel is saved?




JPT

Do you disagree, that we are to obey the Gospel, in order to be saved?


in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8

• on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

and again


22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23


again


14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
Romans 10:14-16



Please explain how a person who does not obey the Gospel is saved?




JPT