Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

I am fully aware that we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us (2 Cor 4:7) and that in this lifetime we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face, now we know in part, but then we shall be known even as also we are known (1 Cor 13:12).

Or, God saw in His foreknowledge the fall of man and, therefore, He devised the plan of redemption before the foundation of the world, holds it out to ALL and reveals His eternal power and Godhead to ALL. Those who reject are without excuse (Rom 1:18-20).





So when Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, was it God's will?

If it was God's will to have Adam eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, why did God tell Adam not to eat in Gen 2:17?

Your assertion has no merit and the Bible falls apart in the first couple of chapters.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

God has chosen to save those who believe.

And, again, the natural man can not believe spiritual things. You are going to have to understand the inability of the natural man before all the scriptures will harmonize.

The "now we know in part", sounds like we don't have full control of all of our faculties. We all sin in our daily lives, because we take our will back into our own hands on a regular basis. Then after we have done what we wanted to, we hand our will back to God. none of us are able to fully surrender our will and our lives over to the care of God and let Him keep it.

The theme goes like this, we take our will back and commit some sins then we give it back to God. Paul described it as a war within. He said he did things he didn't want to do, but the force inside was making him sin against his will.

Now Paul was a very Godly and Holy Saint, so if he couldn't defeat residual sin within him what hope is there for the common sinner to gain control over themselves and stop sinning. The Bible tells us we have no power over sin, only Christ has and we are at sins mercy.

And, again, the natural man can not believe spiritual things. You are going to have to understand the inability of the natural man before all the scriptures will harmonize.

Your standard "go to" verse because you are spiritually blind to the truth that God allows mankind to reject Him.

You need to take your blinders off and understand that God allows those who reject Him to reject, in spite of His revealing Himself. And because they suppress the truth in unrighteousness, they are without excuse.

They are without excuse because they have heard the gospel. The natural man cannot understand the spiritual gospel. You keep trying to give attributes to the natural man that he does not have, such as hearing and believing. The natural man CANNOT discern spiritual things and there is no way you can change that fact to harmonize the scriptures.

They are without excuse because they have heard the gospel. The natural man cannot understand the spiritual gospel. You keep trying to give attributes to the natural man that he does not have, such as hearing and believing. The natural man CANNOT discern spiritual things and there is no way you can change that fact to harmonize the scriptures.

And, again, the natural man can not believe spiritual things. You are going to have to understand the inability of the natural man before all the scriptures will harmonize.

And the beat goes on. You are still wrong and showing no signs of learning anything. Imagine my surprise.

Pr 26:16 The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason

Just something to consider.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes scriptures appear to harmonize in this system that is why it is so powerful, all the pieces fit so well together.
The more one immerses oneself in it, the less objective one is able to be.
I know, been there.

Thank you! Most people on this forum do not try to harmonize the scriptures. If they are presented a scripture that they can not explain, they ignore it. Its like putting a puzzle together. They find a piece that looks like it has all the right ears and and all the colors are right, but when they try to put it in place, one of the ears does not quit fit, so they push real hard to make it fit. They will never finish the puzzle and see the beautiful picture, and Jesus's doctrine is just that, a very beautiful picture.

He can understand his need to be saved. He may not have all the theological knowledge of some but he can understand that he is a sinner and only Christ can save him.

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is only the theological giants of our time that stumble at these simple truths. Sinners know they are sinners. Gods word only brings the conviction of the sin to the front by the Holy Spirit. Too bad that many have long forgotten and no longer trust the word of God to accomplish what God has intended it to accomplish.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The spiritual things referred to in 1 Cor 2:14 relate to that which Paul spoke among them that are perfect (perfect as in they were "spiritually mature" ... not perfect as in they "do not sin").


1 Corinthians 2:

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory


Please note that in 1 Cor 2:1-2, Paul indicates he came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom and that he could go no further with them than Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Not because he didn't want to speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory.

But because the church at Corinth was not spiritually mature. They were still in spiritual infancy because they had left off following Christ and had broken off into factions wherein some followed Paul or Apollos, or Cephas:


1 Corinthians 1:

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?


And this fact is further corroborated in 1 Cor 3:

1 Corinthians 3:

1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?


You need to quit throwing up 1 Cor 2:14 as your standard for supporting a doctrine which is not contained in Scripture.

It is clear from Rom 1:18-20 that some reject that which has been revealed to them, not because God does not want them to believe but because they, of their own volition, reject ... even though the eternal power of God is revealed to them. That is why they are without excuse.

They reject, not because they are not part of some so-called "elect" club you continue to insist upon. They reject because they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That is why they are without excuse.

I am sorry that you are not understanding that God's children, born of the Spirit, sometimes, are a depraved and disobedient children and in need of God's chastening rod. All of the scriptures that you use in your attempt to make the natural man have the ability to understand spiritual things, are scriptures that are referring to disobedient children of God.

God does not wish . He works by faith as a plan and carries it out as a work of faith.

If he desired to save everybody as every person ever born. He who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases, He would. As many as the father has given to the Son they will come and that many he will not cast out