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The premise of your question is flawed because of your unbiblical religious doctrines.
No one threw a "grenade" at man mind to kill them. I know you believe the unjust God of the Bible threw the grenade and Jesus jumped on it to save mankind, not from anything they did, or any free will choice they made, but from an unjust God whose Laws were intended to do us harm because you have been convinced they are against us.
If you want to use the Bible and the throwing of a grenade as a teaching tool, it would read like the following.
God told me to stay away from grenades because they can go off and kill me, but I don't trust God, I don't believe in this God, so I rebelled against Him and messed with the grenade He told me not to mess with.
Well what happened? Exactly what He said as He warned over and over and over in His Word about, the grenade went off and killed me. Now what? As it turns out, God loves me, and He knew I was evil in my mind and that I didn't like Him because I had been convinced by the snake that His instructions were "against me", so He sent His Son to recue me from this death I incurred in the hope that maybe this time I would accept His Word as truth and listen to Him, and stop messing with things He tells me to leave alone.
So your analogy which implies that some one else, like maybe God, threw a grenade at me and Jesus jumped on it to save me sounds cleaver, and looks good, but is not grounded in Biblical truth.
No one threw a "grenade" at man mind to kill them. I know you believe the unjust God of the Bible threw the grenade and Jesus jumped on it to save mankind, not from anything they did, or any free will choice they made, but from an unjust God whose Laws were intended to do us harm because you have been convinced they are against us.
If you want to use the Bible and the throwing of a grenade as a teaching tool, it would read like the following.
God told me to stay away from grenades because they can go off and kill me, but I don't trust God, I don't believe in this God, so I rebelled against Him and messed with the grenade He told me not to mess with.
Well what happened? Exactly what He said as He warned over and over and over in His Word about, the grenade went off and killed me. Now what? As it turns out, God loves me, and He knew I was evil in my mind and that I didn't like Him because I had been convinced by the snake that His instructions were "against me", so He sent His Son to recue me from this death I incurred in the hope that maybe this time I would accept His Word as truth and listen to Him, and stop messing with things He tells me to leave alone.
So your analogy which implies that some one else, like maybe God, threw a grenade at me and Jesus jumped on it to save me sounds cleaver, and looks good, but is not grounded in Biblical truth.
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When is your "last day"?
"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."
2 Pet. 3:
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
The judgment has already been given as Jesus said. I don't care what your preacher tells you. I have until the end of my life to get right with God, and I don't know when the "Last day" shall be and either do you.
This is why David, in the Spirit, said "Today, if you hear His Voice, harden not your mind". Today could be our "Last Day".
"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."
2 Pet. 3:
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
The judgment has already been given as Jesus said. I don't care what your preacher tells you. I have until the end of my life to get right with God, and I don't know when the "Last day" shall be and either do you.
This is why David, in the Spirit, said "Today, if you hear His Voice, harden not your mind". Today could be our "Last Day".
That's right Beta, the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were convinced they were already all set, "Peace, Peace, when there was no Peace. They were convinced as was Eve, "You shall surely not die". And even God Himself in the Flesh couldn't get them to listen to Him. As it is written:
Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Absolutely Fascinating.
Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Absolutely Fascinating.
I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart.
(1 Corinthians 4:3-5)
Do not judge, or you will be judged
(Matthew 7:1)
(Matthew 7:1)
God sent His Son into the world not to judge the world
(John 3:17)
(John 3:17)
Who are you to judge someone else's servant?
(Romans 14:4)
Therefore you have no excuse, you who pass judgement
(Romans 2:1)
God Himself is judge
(Psalm 50:6)
(Psalm 50:6)
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy;
but who are you who judge your neighbor?
(James 4:12)
He it is who reduces rulers to nothing,
Who makes the judges of the earth meaningless.
(Isaiah 40:23)
(Isaiah 40:23)
on the day when, according to my gospel,
God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
(Romans 2:16)
(Romans 2:16)
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.
(Romans 14:3)
(Romans 14:3)
Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
(Matthew 20:15)
(Matthew 20:15)
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Since he was not able to pay, the Master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
At this the servant fell on his knees before Him.
‘Be patient with me,’
he begged,
‘and I will pay back everything.’
The servant’s Master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
(Matthew 18:25-27)
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torn between these two:
“Do you understand what you are reading?”
Philip asked.
“How can I,”
he said,
“unless someone explains it to me?”
(Acts 8:30-31)
Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance.
Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
(Matthew 13:12)
the hardest person to teach is the vainest one, who thinks they already know everything.
If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
(John 9:41)
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There is one law for you, (Israel) and one law for the sojourner among you.
Yes the gentiles who are among Israel were commended to keep the Sabbath.
Two we are also told to keep the Sabbath day in the renewed covenant writings as well...
(Hebrews 4:9-11)
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
Soany have fallen into apostate faith by a false gospel separating the people from the Word of Elohim. Disobedience was rewarded with death and again today disobedience will be.
Remember the Sabbath day. Messiah never claimed to be a day neither did he claim to be the Sabbath. He is Master of a day as He said, "the son of Elohim is the Master of the Sabbath."
Yes the gentiles who are among Israel were commended to keep the Sabbath.
Two we are also told to keep the Sabbath day in the renewed covenant writings as well...
(Hebrews 4:9-11)
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
Soany have fallen into apostate faith by a false gospel separating the people from the Word of Elohim. Disobedience was rewarded with death and again today disobedience will be.
Remember the Sabbath day. Messiah never claimed to be a day neither did he claim to be the Sabbath. He is Master of a day as He said, "the son of Elohim is the Master of the Sabbath."
