Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? Do you believe that what he said is true? That he does according to his will(and you say his will is that all mankind should be saved)among the inhabitants of the earth(is that not all mankind?) And you are saying that the inhabitants of earth can stay his hand because they reject him! Are they more powerful than God? Jesus did not die for all mankind, only those that God gave him. If he wants all mankind to be saved, and he accomplishes all his will, why are not all mankind among those that he gave to Jesus? It is a simple deduction. Isaiah 46:10, My counsel (purpose) shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. Is it his purpose to save all mankind? Then why does he not do it? If it is his pleasure that all mankind be saved, then why does he not save them? You say it is because they reject him (stay his hand). He says that they can not stay his hand. The conclusion is that IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL TO SAVE ALL MANKIND.

Thayer's definition - 8) Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. a) The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc.) a) used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

Two statements you make above show your error:

"It is a simple deduction." (It is actually not a simpe deduction)
"The conclusion is that IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL TO SAVE ALL MANKIND." (The wrong conclusion . . .)

You are using man's reasoning to try to understand God and are not taking the Bible at face value at what it says about God. The problem is not with the Bible, it is with your view of what it says.

I ask you again what Thayer's you are using? - and since you do not give any more information I stick by what I shared in post #334.

Yes, He did. For now anyway. Many people calls themselves Christian and are deceived by the god of this world to the point they cannot find the true way to God.

Including the 1.3 billion Roman Catholics that think they have God. God is not done with them yet. He has a plan in place written in the scriptures. Pray the scales fall from your eyes, and you find it.

I don't know how in view of the scriptures telling you that God accomplishes all his will. Does all of his good pleasures. Says that man cannot stay his hand. And many more scriptures affirming that God, if it be his will to save all mankind, does have the power to do exactly that! If you still insist that man has more power than God and can reject him to keep him from accomplishing his will, then I pray that the Holy Spirit within you will eventually reveal the attributes of God to you, but I do not expect that he will until you deny yourself and relinquish the idea that man has more power than God that he can reject him and derail his efforts to save them, even though that is his will.

Chester said: Which one says that God does not love all of mankind and does not want everyone to be saved?



I am still whistling waiting for an answer . . . . to my question . . . . .

I will answer your questions once you are able to answer mine . . .

You focused on "believeth" but forgot all about "the world", which, according to all reliable sources means THE WORLD OF HUMANITY -- THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH. This means that the "whosoever" in John 3:15-17 means anyone and everyone. And that means that Five Point Calvinism is bogus theology.

Not according to Thayer's Greek interpretation of the word "WORLD" meaning, Used of believers only, and also in the following scriptures; John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33,12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, and 2 Cor 5:19.

What Thayer's are you using sir? The New Thayer's Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament (copyright 1981) lists all of those Scriptures except I Cor. 4:9 under definition #5 of kosmos (world), page 357. Definition #5 is this: "the inhabitants of the world, the inhabitants of the earth, , men, the human race". He says nothing about "used of believers only". Unless you can document Thayer's better, I think you need to admit your mistake.I stand by what I said previously: John 3:16 means that God loved all of the world (the people in the world) and that is why He sent His Son.

Thayer's definition - 8) Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. a) The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc.) a) used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

I ask you again what Thayer's you are using? - and since you do not give any more information I stick by what I shared in post #334.

You stick with man having more power than God if you want to, but I serve a more powerful God than you do, in that, I give him credit for being able to accomplish all his will for man and none can stay his hand. When you deny God's power in face of the scriptures I have given you, makes me concerned about you.

Do you really believe that God loves the REPROBATE!!!! have a look these verses below in the link. There are around 100 verses which prove God hates the reprobate and He doesn't want to save them and He has made it impossible for them to be saved. They are sealed for hell.

I was going to list all the verses here but it won't let me because there are too many to fit there. Come back and apologize for ignoring these Bible verses in your past life. I'm sure they will change your life after you read them.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/reprobate

You are not facing the reality of just how depraved we all are by our fleshly nature, yes, even you. Take the example of David, a man who is the apple of God's eye, who did commit adultery, lied and did commit murder. We all perform every evil work which God abhors, at times, by our sinful nature. That is why we have to repent often.

That is why you have to omit some scriptures that you don't think harmonize with your beliefs Any time you find the action words, repent, accept, believe, etc. it is always having reference to disobedient children of God.

I am pleased to hear you admit that the natural man cannot understand the spiritual things that Paul said. That is progress.

What Thayer's are you using sir? The New Thayer's Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament (copyright 1981) lists all of those Scriptures except I Cor. 4:9 under definition #5 of kosmos (world), page 357. Definition #5 is this: "the inhabitants of the world, the inhabitants of the earth, , men, the human race". He says nothing about "used of believers only".

Unless you can document Thayer's better, I think you need to admit your mistake.

I stand by what I said previously: John 3:16 means that God loved all of the world (the people in the world) and that is why He sent His Son.

If you still insist that man has more power than God and can reject him to keep him from accomplishing his will, then I pray that the Holy Spirit within you will eventually reveal the attributes of God to you, but I do not expect that he will until you deny yourself and relinquish the idea that man has more power than God that he can reject him and derail his efforts to save them, even though that is his will.

You stick with man having more power than God if you want to, but I serve a more powerful God than you do, in that, I give him credit for being able to accomplish all his will for man and none can stay his hand.

Proper interpretation of Scripture has been provided and wholly rejected by you. Perhaps you only love correction when the correction is in line with your preconceived notion of what you believe Scripture should state.





Is that an all inclusive "we"? Appears to me your "we" does not include yourself.





I find it ironic that when someone makes a statement like this it is to point out that the other person needs to change their view ... and not that you need to change your view.

just sayin'

I have presented hundreds of verses to support my position and some come back with one or two obscure verses to try and support their false view.

You have presented many "my pastor says ..." and you have posted some information which you cut/paste from various websites. That is not quite the same as posting Scripture with open and honest discussion.

When Scripture is provided which exposes error in your interpretation, you reject out of hand without providing any rebuttal other than "my pastor says ..."

Scripture is scripture, whether it's cut and pasted or typed. It doesn't matter which website quotes scripture, it's still the same and and as I said none of you Arminians have ever presented scripture verses to prove Calvin wrong but I have given you hundreds