OSAS= House Built on Sand
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Well I demonstrated that one can make the Bible say whatever we want it to, so it all depends on what our position is on a particular issue. If we are trying to defend a false belief, we can use the scriptures to support our false view.
You quotes one portion of scripture which states that murdered and adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God and I came back with another portion which speaks about a murderer and adulterer who inherited a very special position in God Kingdom.
My point here is, context is everything when it comes to scripture. We need to understand the scriptures through the lens of the whole counsel of God. We need to consider the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation when making applications to isolated verses otherwise we can twist them to conform to any view we want.
You quotes one portion of scripture which states that murdered and adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God and I came back with another portion which speaks about a murderer and adulterer who inherited a very special position in God Kingdom.
My point here is, context is everything when it comes to scripture. We need to understand the scriptures through the lens of the whole counsel of God. We need to consider the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation when making applications to isolated verses otherwise we can twist them to conform to any view we want.
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From memory, I believe I was interpreting your belief that everyone has some good in them. I don't believe anyone has any good in them, the only good works we can do are those that God does through us.
So I asked how a totally depraved person can choose to surrender his will and his life over to God. A totally depraved person loves his sin, he will never choose to stop sinning and embrace a life of self denial and sacrifice his life for the sake of a God he doesn't believe in.
This is why we believe that salvation is the work of God, from start to finish. The only thing the saved person contributes is total depravity and wickedness, he is dead in his sin so a dead person cannot make a decision to be holy because it's against his nature. He hates God, so why would he choose to lose his life and serve Him.
So I asked how a totally depraved person can choose to surrender his will and his life over to God. A totally depraved person loves his sin, he will never choose to stop sinning and embrace a life of self denial and sacrifice his life for the sake of a God he doesn't believe in.
This is why we believe that salvation is the work of God, from start to finish. The only thing the saved person contributes is total depravity and wickedness, he is dead in his sin so a dead person cannot make a decision to be holy because it's against his nature. He hates God, so why would he choose to lose his life and serve Him.
Now, your talking sense. It's about time you admitted it, perhaps I can take you off the milk and start feeding you meat now 
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Your "milk" and your "meat" is rancid. Perhaps you should get rid of it and actually start feeding on the Word of God.
1 Peter 2:
1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1 Peter 2:
1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
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Are you sure this is a correct conclusion?........consider the following;
Scripture states .....it is G-d's desire that none are lost;
If G-d draws us to Him then why wouldn't.... all.... be saved?
Also, you are eliminating......free will.......in your position.
Conclusion;...The Holy Spirit will help us as we apply efforts to repent and become righteous, but, He does not compel.......righteousness!!
Your thoughts?
Are you sure this is a correct conclusion?........consider the following;
Scripture states .....it is G-d's desire that none are lost;
If G-d draws us to Him then why wouldn't.... all.... be saved?
Also, you are eliminating......free will.......in your position.
Conclusion;...The Holy Spirit will help us as we apply efforts to repent and become righteous, but, He does not compel.......righteousness!!
Your thoughts?
Go back and read through your posts and tell me the Chapter and Verse provided by you:
Post #2,358 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3697697
Post #2,388 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3699043
Post #2,394 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3699772
Post #2,396 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3700677
Post #2,398 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3701028
Post #2,400 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3701332
Post #2,410 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3701841
Post #2,414 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3702226
Post #2,420 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3702525
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https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3702528
All you did was post your usual twaddle with absolutely no Scripture to back up your position.
Post #2,358 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3697697
Post #2,388 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3699043
Post #2,394 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3699772
Post #2,396 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3700677
Post #2,398 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3701028
Post #2,400 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3701332
Post #2,410 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3701841
Post #2,414 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3702226
Post #2,420 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3702525
Post #2,421 -
https://christianchat.com/threads/osas-house-built-on-sand.178412/post-3702528
All you did was post your usual twaddle with absolutely no Scripture to back up your position.
i know that I am one of the elect because I understand the scriptures perfectly well, while the hypocrites always twist and corrupt the Word of God. Everything I believe, perfectly lines up with scripture so that is proof that I am a true believer. There are many here who don't believe all the scriptures, they pick and choose only those that they can use to support their false beliefs.
On Aug 30, 2018 you submitted a post (here) wherein you claimed a certain situation had occurred.
I replied in Post #2,375 and submitted Scripture in response to your claim.
Since then, we have been discussing the issue you initially brought up in your Post #2,358 and I provided a link to all your posts you submitted in our discussion (here). There is no Scripture submitted by you in your posts dealing with this issue.
For you to now claim "[you] have given [me] hundreds of scriptures" and then further claim "but [ I ] just ignore them because [ I ] don't believe all the scriptures" and that "[ I ] pick the scriptures which [ I ] can twist and make them support [my] false views" is nothing but a lie and is an ad hominem attack on your part.
Your inability to discuss in a mature manner is indicative of your inability to Scripturally support your dogma. Go back and study your Bible for a few more years and then re-join the discussion when you are able to deal with these issues in a Christ-like manner.
I replied in Post #2,375 and submitted Scripture in response to your claim.
Since then, we have been discussing the issue you initially brought up in your Post #2,358 and I provided a link to all your posts you submitted in our discussion (here). There is no Scripture submitted by you in your posts dealing with this issue.
For you to now claim "[you] have given [me] hundreds of scriptures" and then further claim "but [ I ] just ignore them because [ I ] don't believe all the scriptures" and that "[ I ] pick the scriptures which [ I ] can twist and make them support [my] false views" is nothing but a lie and is an ad hominem attack on your part.
Your inability to discuss in a mature manner is indicative of your inability to Scripturally support your dogma. Go back and study your Bible for a few more years and then re-join the discussion when you are able to deal with these issues in a Christ-like manner.
A congregation needs a place to meet. Therefore churches are built. A dynamic church will outgrow the facility often and needs a continuous building fund. Was an elder in one. The cost of running a large church is staggering. Mortgage payments, salaries of pastors and other staff,utilities,maintenance, etc. Then there are the committees for helping those in need. The church I went to was given 10% of the giving to the church plus donations to the committee. Often ran low but never out of money. God seemed to provide what was needed.
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