OSAS= House Built on Sand

That's exactly what I'm saying, a true believer knows that he doesn't know. A false believer thinks he knows it all and he thinks he can read the Bible and arrive at the right interpretation, there are thousands of interpretations so it's a dangerous mine field.

I have been given the gift of discernment enough to ask my pastor what certain scriptures mean, once I understand them I can correct others who don't. I never run with a wrong view, I don't make any claims which have not been explained and proven to be Biblically correct.

Yep, I've heard it all here. Somme of the craziest ideas have been propagated right here

I will provide a bunch of verses later, I have to go now but don't be deceived and rely on your own wisdom do discern scripture. Satan will deceive you every single time and you will always walk away with the wrong view. The Bible was only written for Gods Shepherds to teach it to His sheep.

It's very dangerous for a sheep to go rouge, it will quickly be devoured so find yourself a trustworthy Shepherd to protect you.
I will give you all the relevant scriptures later, gotta go now bye!

When I started out addressing one verse/passage at a time from your list, I never really got an adequate response from you... so I quit addressing each of those, because it didn't seem you "heard" anyway.


Another poster addressed THIS ^ also, and it appears you didn't "hear" her either.

Speaking of "discernment," Philippians 1:9-10 [ylt] says,

"and this I pray, that your love yet more and more may abound in full knowledge, and all judgment/discernment, for your proving the things that differ, that ye may be pure and offenceless -- to a ['a' not in Grk text] day of Christ"



One thing I notice with both Calvinism AND Arminianism, is that they each blur together many passages and state they are to/for/about [that is, misapplying them to] "the Church which is His body" that are indeed not to/for/about "the Church which is His body." And this blurring causes each (Calvinism & Arminianism) to come up with explanations which actually change the Word of God, in places, in order for them (in their way of thinking) to make sense and correlate/mesh/not-contradict (they see no other way to figure it out, but to [wrongly] do so).

The problem is rooted in not grasping the real position [and identification] of "the Church which is His body"--its calling, its standing, its hopes, its privileges (as distinct from that of all other saints of all OTHER time periods: OT saints, Trib saints, MK saints).

[Eph1:20-23]

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)



SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)



OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:



Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.



JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.



THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)



WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?



WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)



IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?



JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.



Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.



Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?



GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )



Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?



John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.



2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.



DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)



NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?



Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.



ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?



DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?



Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.



James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)

We mustn't forget what Jesus said in John 16:12 :

"12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."



[the Scriptures given after His death/resurrection, 1Cor2:10,16b]

Jesus is THE Shepherd. Can you give me an example of a good shepherd that you described where the sheep would be safe?
You stated earlier that we were saved before the world was created and salvation has nothing to do with us, so there really is no danger in your view of anyone being devoured by satan for leaving the flock. The saved are already saved and the unsaved can never be.

Yes I agree, rouge can be way too dramatic and gauche................I prefer lighter tones myself!




At least you still make me chuckle on occasion, sorry if your aiming for "serious discussion" it ain't happening for me anymore.

The word is rogue btw.....

John 7:34 Ye shall seek me and shall not find me, and where I am thither ye cannot come. That's just one, I can give you so many but I'm surprised at just how little you know and how much I need to educate you of the basics. As I suggested before, seek ye a Shepherd to teach you. I don't have the time to educate you on the basics.

Mathew 13:13 describes you perfectly:
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

As I said I can list you tons of verses but you are not worthy of my free education so I will just leave you to wallow in those two for now

You are deceived, Satan has convinced you that you have discernment but you have clearly demonstrated that you are lost and confused. Your theology is completely messed up, you believe in a man made gospel which is not in the Bible. It's painfully obvious that you have fallen victim to the doctrine of Demons.

I can always tell who the true believers are and I stake my life on the fact that you are not, because I have read what you believe and it's contrary to Gods Word so I'm absolutely sure you are deceived. You have rejected the truth and embraced Satan's lie, just as Eve did in the garden.

You're not alone, most of those who call themselves Christian have apostatized and they have fallen away from the Church just as Christ predicted would happen in the last days. You have embraced the perverted false gospel, you have rejected the only means of salvation so you are without excuse.

Saved Saints of God will instinctively find a faithful Shepherd, God programmed them to do so. Our salvation is never threatened, we don't look for a Shepherd to be saved. We look for one to teach us how to glorify God most effectively and they keep us from being troubled by the doctrines of Demons.

Every single one of us Saints was guaranteed to be saved before the world was made, we never do anything to effect our salvation. We do all things as a result of our salvation, we do good works because we have good dwelling in us. You do wicked things if you have wickedness dwelling in you, you act out what is in you and that's how we know who is who.

You guys like to twist things around to mean the opposite of the truth, that's exactly what Satan always does. This leads me to believe the many of you have fallen victim to the doctrines of Demons, I pray for you people all the time.

That's right God told us everything He wanted us to know about Him. Of' course there's a lot more to God, but He doesn't want us to know any more than He told us because it would blow your silly little mind