Does anyone know who started the winter celebration of Christmas?

Revelation 6:17, “because the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Revelation 4:1-3, “After this I looked and saw a door having been opened in the heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here and I shall show you what has to take place after this. And immediately I came to be in the Spirit and saw a throne set in the heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a ruby stone in appearance. And there was a rainbow around the throne, like an emerald in appearance.”

Revelation 1:9-10, “I, Yoḥanan, both your brother and co-sharer in pressure, and in the reign and endurance of יהושע Messiah, came to be on the island that is called Patmos for the Word of יהוה and for the witness of יהושע Messiah. I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet*.”

Isaiah 13:9-13, “Howl, for the day of יהוה is near! It comes as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore all hands go limp, every man’s heart melts, and they shall be afraid. Pangs and sorrows take hold of them, they are in pain as a woman in labor; they are amazed at one another, their faces aflame! See, the day of יהוה is coming, fierce, with wrath and heat of displeasure, to lay the earth waste, and destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of the heavens and their constellations do not give off their light. The sun shall be dark at its rising, and the moon not send out its light. And I shall punish the world for its evil, and the wrong for their crookedness, and shall put an end to the arrogance of the proud, and lay low the pride of the ruthless. I shall make mortal man scarcer than fine gold, and mankind scarcer than the gold of Ophir. So I shall make the heavens tremble, and the earth shall shake from her place, in the wrath of יהוה of hosts and in the day of the heat of His displeasure.”

Ezekiel 13:1-9, "13:1, "And the word of יהוה came to me, saying,"13:2, "“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Yisra’yl who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of יהוה!’ ”"13:3, "Thus said the Master יהוה, “Woe to the foolish prophets, who are following their own spirit, without having had a vision!"13:4, "“O Yisra’yl, your prophets have been like foxes among ruins."13:5, "“You have not gone up into the breaches, nor do you build a wall for the house of Yisra’yl to stand in battle on the day of יהוה., "“Their visions are false and their divinations a lie, saying, ‘Thus declares יהוה,’ when יהוה has not sent them, yet they expected the word to be confirmed!"13:7, "“Have you not seen a false vision, and have you not spoken a divination of lies? You say, ‘יהוה declares,’ when I have not spoken.”"13:8, "Therefore thus said the Master יהוה, “Because you have spoken falsehood and seen lies, therefore see, I am against you,” declares the Master יהוה."13:9, "“My hand shall be against the prophets who see falsehood and who divine lies. They shall not be in the council of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Yisra’yl, and they shall not enter into the land of Yisra’yl. And you shall know that I am the Master יהוה."

Joel 1:14-20, "1:14, "Set apart a fast. Call an assembly, gather the elders, all the inhabitants of the land, into the House of יהוה your Strength, and cry out to יהוה."1:15, "Alas for the day! For the day of יהוה is near, and it comes as destruction from the Almighty."1:16, "Is not the food cut off before our eyes, joy and gladness from the House of our Mighty One?"1:17, "The seed has rotted under their clods, storehouses are laid waste, granaries are broken down, for the grain has withered."1:18, "How the beasts moan! The herds of cattle are restless, because they have no pasture. The flocks of sheep also perish."1:19, "I cry to You יהוה, for fire has consumed the pastures of the wilderness, and a flame has set on fire all the trees of the field."1:20, "Even the beasts of the field cry out to You, for the water streams are dried up, and fire has consumed the pastures of the wilderness."

Joel 2:1-14, "2:1, "Blow a shophar in Tsiyon, and sound an alarm in My set-apart mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble, for the day of יהוה is coming, for it is near:"2:2, "a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, like the morning clouds spread over the mountains – a people many and strong, the like of whom has never been, nor shall there ever be again after them, to the years of many generations."2:3, "Ahead of them a fire has consumed, and behind them a flame burns.

John 1:41 He first found his own brother Simon and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which means Christ)."



5547. Christos ►
Strong's Concordance
Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ
Original Word: Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tos')
Short Definition: Anointed One, the Messiah, the Christ
Definition: Anointed One; the Messiah, the Christ.

2962. kurios ►
Strong's Concordance
kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

κύριος
kurios
Thayer Definition:
1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
1a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1a1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
1a2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
1b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
1c) this title is given to: God, the Messiah
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from kuros (supremacy)
Citing in TDNT: 3:1039, 486


and no Lord is not ever used as "Messiah" or even "Christ"
Total KJV Occurrences: 747

lord, 703

lord’s, 14

sir, 11

masters, 8

master, 4

lords, 2

‘s, 1

god, 1

masters’, 1

owners, 1

sirs, 1

I need to correct myself- the word used for Lord in Revelation 1 , the Lord's day, is kyriake, which means the Lord's day, or sunday.

so, even though I was mistaken earlier, still no Sabbath.

I would never argue that Jesus, Yeshua, is not the Way, but this title , to the best of my recollection is from His declaration that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Yes it is also written that those in Yeshua were said t be of the way.......but Jesus, Himself, says in His teaching the we are of teh Faith of Abraham.

I find the reference to "orthodox Jews" out of place and time. Until Jesus Christ, the only fiath of the Hebrews was the teaching of Moses, the Prophets and the Writings. There was no such thing as Judaism since Judah, although the last vestige of Israel, was but one of the twele tribes.

You post seems to be doctrines adopted over the years by men, and not much from the Word.

Judaism is but a new-to-theWord denomination, actually an umbrella over such new denominations as Orthodox, Reformed Jews, Chasid or Hasid, and more. There was a synagogue in the Chicago area that called itslef the little church on the lake...........a big switch from the original Israel.

Israel now is the Israel of God, Yahweh, comprised of believe Hebrews and converted Gentiles............one Flock made by the Good Shepherd of the Two flocks.........and so it goes.

Scripture does not tell us when Christ rose from the dead, whether it was Saturday or Sunday, It tells us when it was discovered that Christ rose. World of difference.

We are digging deeper into scripture with this thread than just to celebrate Christmas or not. This thread is about being guided by scripture or not, and adding or subtracting from it.

You object to "orthodox Jews". What language would you use to say that it was Jews who practiced what they were told to practice?

When I speak of "The Way" I am trying to tell you that the meetings they had was not called Catholic, Methodist, or such it was called "The Way". It is used as a noun, not a description in this case.

In our modern world churches preach not to listen to anything the Old Testament teaches. They do not understand Paul, so when Paul tells us that we are to listen to the Holy Spirit teaching us to obey God's commandments in spirit rather than in only legalistic ways, they teach to toss out all the Father shows us, calling it Judaism. I do not believe they are understanding God's word when they teach that.

Scripture does not tell us when Christ rose from the dead, whether it was Saturday or Sunday, It tells us when it was discovered that Christ rose. World of difference.

well, Jesus said to believe in Him to have eternal life. that is Scripture. but, you and the other judeaizers say keep the Law. so, some of us are pushing Scripture, some are pushing opinions.

From the time of Eve's "eating the apple" the God that "Judaizers" listen to has made plans for our salvation. To listen to God the Father means that we celebrate the Father giving His Son for our salvation. People against our identifying with the Son, to die with Him to sin, because the Father is involved are wrong, not the people judaizers you are against. You are not going to achieve forgiveness of sin if you do not die to sin with the Son. You cannot serve and embrace sin in your life and still go to Christ for the forgiveness of the sin you embrace.

Fallacy: straw man argument.

What is a fallacy is what I write? That God gave His Son? That you can embrace sin and ask forgiveness for the sin you embrace? That God the Father forgives, and gave His Son for this? That there are people who label anyone who loves God Judaizers, using that name to express contempt for people who try not to sin? Explain what is a fallacy in what I write.

Lol..eggs and YOUR definition of the Godess doesn't relate to the OP..because the HISTORY both Biblical AND secular has nothing to do with Ishtar...and please refer to my dictionary meanings of PAGENISM and being a pagen..be ENLIGHTENED..I have FACT to back up what I say..I've copied and pasted it for you..am waiting for yours in return and have Ishtar coorilates specifically to Easter and sex..etc..

I refer you to the following site where they discuss this subject. Found it by a simple Google search. Try to verify your disagreements this way so you don't make a fool of yourself by assuming the point is false.

https://www.thoughtco.com/egg-laying-bunnies-and-mad-march-hares-2562459

well, since you are a judaizer, I see why you have an issue with honoring the Lord's day, and not the Sabbath, which gentiles were never commanded to keep anyway.

From the time of Eve's "eating the apple" the God that "Judaizers" listen to has made plans for our salvation. To listen to God the Father means that we celebrate the Father giving His Son for our salvation. People against our identifying with the Son, to die with Him to sin, because the Father is involved are wrong, not the people judaizers you are against. You are not going to achieve forgiveness of sin if you do not die to sin with the Son. You cannot serve and embrace sin in your life and still go to Christ for the forgiveness of the sin you embrace.

And Christmas was never a part of the OT jewish sabbaths..

If you think the catholic church is Christian then i pity you..

A fallacy is an unsound or invalid argument. A straw man fallacy is used when someone presents a distorted view of a subject, then proceeds to criticize that distortion in the pretense that their criticism applies to the actual subject. In your post, you presented a distorted idea of what "judaizers" are, and criticized those who decry them. Judaizers are those who promote adherence to the Mosaic Law in contradiction to the Gospel of grace found in Jesus Christ. You defended a distortion; it's backward from a standard straw man fallacy, but fits the category nonetheless.

There is a massive difference between those who trust completely in Christ for salvation and sanctification and avoid sin by His power, and those who try to earn salvation or sanctification by following the Law or adding Law-adherence to grace.

are you sinless?