Since it has been addressed, i thought I'd ask

You certainly create thought provoking threads. I actually enjoy a good heated debate but don't like it when things break down and the name calling starts. I guess it just goes with the territory. I have been ripped apart a few times in the BDF but actually found it amusing. Generally, I really don't add anything useful to most debates but like to insert an amusing post occasionally to ease the tension. To me, the Bible Discussion Forum is a high entertainment venue.

The section in Ephesians 6 relating to the armour of God is very interesting:

Ephesians 6:

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:


Vs 11 - Here we see that we are to put on the whole armour of God so that we may stand against the wiles of the devil.

Vs 12 mentions wrestling, in which we struggle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, ruler of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Vs 13 again mentions the whole armour of God that we are to take to ourselves in order that we may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Vs 14 again tells us to stand and then we read about the various implements of the armour of God we are to put on. The armour of God listed consists for the most part of protective gear which enables us to stand and withstand as we preach the gospel.

So, we get through to vs 17 and now we're armed with the whole armour of God that we may stand and withstand. And what are the next instructions given to us ...

Ephesians 6:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.


Pray and make known the Gospel (boldly as we ought to speak).


I just love this section of Scripture. Arm yourself with the whole armour of God ... now stand, withstand, pray, and boldly speak the Gospel.

And when we boldly speak the Gospel and pray, we will definitely find we need the whole armour of God. The spiritual wickedness in high places cannot stand against the power of the Word of God. And we also know that God does not leave us alone to face His adversary. He goes before us. He goes behind us. He goes beside us. Just as He led the children of Israel as they wandered in the wilderness, He leads us in this present evil day.

Our Bible Fellowship studied this section of Scripture and some of us made a pact to not get out of bed in the morning until we have put on each piece. Wonderful way to start the day!!!

Well, I don't know.
I've gotten really ticked off off-line and it saved my life. I got a bit of concern brewing in my veins a few months ago at the post office when a giant of a man was seemingly homeless, but come to find out was actually wanted for murder and was on the lamb living on the streets to avoid arrest, was threatening a tiny Muslim woman he'd cornered in the post box lobby. Afterward, as she got into the family van she thanked me.

Now, on a forum yes, we're suppose to behave. After all, we're typing!
And yet, should we feel ashamed if we get mad? How about those who actually live , log-on and work to push us to that point? Should we feel bad that we call them out? Who's wrong in that scenario? The Christian who responds to the push-button? Or the literally damned unbeliever who actually has no life and as such proves it by registering to join a Christianity forum and play with peoples emotions?

Oh, yeah, and lets remember Jesus.
He hand fashioned a whip when his very voice could have done the job of chasing the money changers from the temple.

Those who are ashamed of their passions and who I've spoken with over the years, claim yeah, that's true. But Jesus never actually struck one of them.
Oh? If that wasn't his purpose then why did GOD weave a whip? Because whips are known for whipping people who handle them.

Christian=Christ like. I have no quarrel with someone who as a member of the body of Christ insist they were baptized to be a doormat.
Live "your" , the general impersonal your, truth. Just don't take this Christ-like female to task when she breaks the legs off the brute who thinks to say to "you", OK! Here come my boots!

I don't apologize for being Christ-Like.
Jesus was God. Read the OT.
Yes, this is a forum and all forums have rules. But what is being pursued here is broader than the confines of this on-line community.
We're being taken to task as those who are in this world still. What we exhibit here at a keyboard is a reflection of who we are in our emotions as people when we log-off.

Jesus was God. Read the OT, as I mentioned above. Guess what?
God wasn't a pacifist!
Think, Noah.
And Sodom and Gomorrah.
That's two.

And by the way. Armour of God? If life as one who is in Christ was for pansies, "Armour" , wouldn't be mentioned by God as that which we who are in Christ should don.
Prayer likely would be there in the scripture instead.

Why hope to make us feel ashamed for righteous anger? Yes, acting like the AH isn't good. But hey, remember tongues in the scripture? Sometimes you gotta talk to AH's in the language they understand.

Hmmmm, interesting arguements you have made, no denying that. I hope that my post didn't serve to have anyone feel shamed. My post in fact was my attempt to speak up, boldly and assuredly, just as you presented, that Christ centered people should. Regardless of what he, she, or they do, I still hold myself accountable for my responses and my reactions. If you are suggesting we condone bad behavior because we have been given it, I would argue that only weakens the stances as well as all characters involved. I stand firm, with you, in appreciation for boldly walking in our faith. For me, in doing so, I remember what He said. "Do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with the Lord. I think we, myself included, shouldn't for one second stand outside His truths, and that includes the way in which we treat others.

When we read through Eph 6:10 - 20, we see that we are clothed with the whole armour of God and we are instructed to stand, withstand, pray, and preach.

An effective prayer life begins with putting on the whole armour of God.

And please do not misunderstand me ... we are instructed to pray without ceasing, so we are to pray even when we feel that we are weak and we've been stripped bare (and feel we don't have that armour of God on).





There is a difference between "righteous anger" and the anger, wrath, malice we are instructed to put off (Col 3:8).

Scripture tells us be ye angry and sin not (Eph 4:6). So we know that there is nothing wrong with anger in and of itself. There is a problem with allowing our anger to control us to the point where we sin.

When we read through Eph 6:10 - 20, we see that we are clothed with the whole armour of God and we are instructed to stand, withstand, pray, and preach.

An effective prayer life begins with putting on the whole armour of God.

And please do not misunderstand me ... we are instructed to pray without ceasing, so we are to pray even when we feel that we are weak and we've been stripped bare (and feel we don't have that armour of God on).





There is a difference between "righteous anger" and the anger, wrath, malice we are instructed to put off (Col 3:8).

Scripture tells us be ye angry and sin not (Eph 4:6). So we know that there is nothing wrong with anger in and of itself. There is a problem with allowing our anger to control us to the point where we sin.

Would anyone here who defends apathy in any form hold "my" cloak?

Not sure if love is a component once we insult another. I do get what u r saying, though.

He held the cloak, coat, of Stephen!

While EVIL men committed to the teaching, the hard-wiring, of the classic Judaism "pre-Christ", watched, .

my question to you:

If you threw my jaw a left hook that knocked me on my backside, would U LOVE me?

Acts 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.


Back in Acts 6:8-14, we read that Stephen was full of faith and power (vs 8) and certain men were unable to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he [Stephen] spake (vs 10). So, they got some false witnesses to testify against Stephen (vss 11-14).

Then in Acts 7, Stephen gave his witness/testimony.

In Acts 22:20, Paul makes this statement concerning the incident: And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.


Saul approved of the death of Stephen and Saul guarded the raiment of them that slew Stephen.

And Stephen, wonderful believer that he was, cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge (Acts 7:60).

Sure. As long as you provide evidence that you are totally apathetic.

All jokes aside, what does this have to do with the OP?