Do you believe there will be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

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Will there be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • No

    Votes: 6 60.0%

  • Total voters
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Miri

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#41
As long as we still have fried chicken and roast beef
I’m good!
 

Hevosmies

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#42
Why are you so keen to contradict the prophecy of Ezekiel?

What he describes is under the New Covenant, but for whatever reason, there is also a temple in Jerusalem and animal sacrifices under Christ, as well as David as prince under Christ. This is no way would nullify the finished work of Christ, since the New Covenant is in His blood.

Let's not try to use human reasoning against divine revelation.
Where does Ezekiel say that its under the new covenant?

Sin offerings nullify the work of Christ, because of the fact that Christ already MADE the sin offering, once and for all, by offering Himself!
 
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exactly which covenant requiring the blood of bulls and goats will they need to enter into to maintain their faith...?

btw interesting that all the years Daniel was in Babylon he didn't make any sacrifices, yet he kept his faith.
Was there a temple in Babylon that I do not know about? I mean, there could have been . . . seeing as how all the gold and furniture from the temple was there.
 
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exactly which covenant requiring the blood of bulls and goats will they need to enter into to maintain their faith...?

btw interesting that all the years Daniel was in Babylon he didn't make any sacrifices, yet he kept his faith.
The same covenant the Jews followed up to A.D. 70. Pay attention . . .
 

posthuman

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Was there a temple in Babylon that I do not know about? I mean, there could have been . . . seeing as how all the gold and furniture from the temple was there.
no temple the Law Daniel was under would have allowed him to sacrifice at.
which is what i mean, he was required to make sacrifices, but he was restrained, and he didn't lose faith for it. so i don't understand how someone not required to sacrifice animals needs to in order to have faith?

i am working under the assumption that because of what Christ did no sacrifice is anymore required of anyone with faith in Him. maybe you are about to show me i am incorrect in my thoughts tho :)
 
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no temple the Law Daniel was under would have allowed him to sacrifice at.
which is what i mean, he was required to make sacrifices, but he was restrained, and he didn't lose faith for it. so i don't understand how someone not required to sacrifice animals needs to in order to have faith?

i am working under the assumption that because of what Christ did no sacrifice is anymore required of anyone with faith in Him. maybe you are about to show me i am incorrect in my thoughts tho :)
Take it up with Ezekiel . . . he said it before I did . . . about the sacrifices. Other than that I've already responded regarding the inhabitants of the Millennial kingdom. Your problem is that you see no distinction between Israel and the church -- so I hardly expect you to understand any of this until you do.
 

Ahwatukee

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#49
They are NOT for "memorial" purposes as some have suggeested. Nor are they for looking back to the work on the Cross.

It mentions they are for sin offerings.

We should let the N.T. interpret the O.T. not vice versa. Hebrews makes it clear, the animal sacrifices are done with. The old covenant vanished away.

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

The entire chapter and the following and preceding chapters are loaded on this subject.

And I admit that my poll was not neutral, because of the fact that I recognize this is a very recent teaching, and anything recent should be taken with a mountain of salt.
I wonder what Barnabas or Peter or even the reformers would of said if they had heard this idea.
Regarding this subject I will say this, from Ezekiel chapters 40 thru 48, we have a temple described that does not fit any of the dimensions (measurements) of the first, second or third temples, as well as the land allotments for each tribe. Therefore, it must refer to a future temple during the millennial period, including its entire description, with its alcoves and their cherubim and palms trees, the priest dressing rooms and the rooms where the sacrifices and utensils are kept, etc., etc..

Eight chapters is an awful lot of information, which would demonstrate that it will be a literal temple. However, I have no idea as to why animal sacrifices will be performed during the millennial period, seeing that we all know that Jesus was the Passover Lamb. Some scholars have inferred that the temple and sacrifices could be done as a memorial.

The facts are that, the temple described does not fit the dimensions of any other temple, it is specifically for Israel, the land allotments for each tribe and their temple and sacrifices.

This is just something that we will have to wait and see.
 

Hevosmies

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Eph 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Israel and the Church same there
In the book of Revelation there is a distinction made though. It speaks for these verses meaning in CHRIST we are one. But in the future the 144 000 are specifically said to be israelites.
 
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>>>Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh <<<

There you go again . . . reading someone else's mail and trying to make it apply to the neighbors.

The letter is addressed to believers of the Church age. If a Jew gets saved by the Blood of Christ he becomes part of the church.

Paul differentiates between the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God. The Church of God part is where Jews and Gentiles become one through the Blood of Christ.

This is not true of the unbelievers on both sides . . . yet the Tribulation is designed to punish unbelieving Israel and to bring her to her knees where they will be born in a day (Zechariah).
 
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There will still be unbelievers during the 1,000 year Millennium who will need to be redeemed and follow the rules of the Kingdom which Jesus provides in the first three Gospels.

The crucifixion and the sealing of the Holy Spirit are not available to them under this return to the Law.
 

posthuman

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does God tell Ezekiel to build the temple, or that it will be built?
Iirc He says tell Israel its description so that they can regard its perfection and be ashamed.

why didn't they use this plan when they rebuilt after they returned from captivity?
 

Ahwatukee

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Eph 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Israel and the Church same there
In the book of Revelation there is a distinction made though. It speaks for these verses meaning in CHRIST we are one. But in the future the 144 000 are specifically said to be israelites.
Israel and the church are not the same, but are two different dispensations. The churches program is different from the nation Israel. For example, the church, those who are true believers, will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Where as unbelieving Israel will remain here on the earth in fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon them in Dan.9:24, also known as the "time of Jacob's trouble" and "the great tribulation" in part.

If the nation Israel was apart of the church, then they would be gathered with the church. However, God has other promises and prophesies regarding Israel, apart from the church which must be fulfilled:

"Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish d transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."

Israel must be on the earth to fulfill the prophecy above, which has nothing to do with the church.
 

Ahwatukee

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There will still be unbelievers during the 1,000 year Millennium who will need to be redeemed and follow the rules of the Kingdom which Jesus provides in the first three Gospels.

The crucifixion and the sealing of the Holy Spirit are not available to them under this return to the Law.
What you have said is a good possibility, but I guess we will find out when we get there.
 

posthuman

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Israel must be on the earth to fulfill the prophecy above, which has nothing to do with the church.
Israel has to exist to be made jealous by Yah taking to Himself a people who were not a people, with a strange tongue and stammering lips, who did not look for Him.

i do remember saying something to that effect in a recent replacement theology thread.
 

posthuman

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Well, if you see the distinction why are you fighting against that view? Do you believe in a literal millennial kingdom lasting 1,000 years?
i am not sure. i know i am ignorant and hazy on eschatology so i usually stay out of it altogether. tho i do read threads that i never comment in
 

Ahwatukee

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Here is some interesting reading regarding this subject by "Gotquestions.com"

Will there be animal sacrifices during the millennial kingdom?

Question: "Will there be animal sacrifices during the millennial kingdom?"

Answer: There are several passages in the Old Testament that clearly indicate animal sacrifice will be re-instituted during the millennial kingdom. Some passages mention it in passing as the topic of the millennial kingdom is discussed, passages like Isaiah 56:6-8; Zechariah 14:16; and Jeremiah 33:15-18.

The passage that is the most extensive, giving the greatest detail, is Ezekiel 43:18-46:24. It should be noted that this is part of a greater passage dealing with the millennial kingdom, a passage that begins with Ezekiel 40. In Ezekiel 40, the Lord begins to give details of the temple that will exist during the millennial kingdom, a temple that dwarfs all other temples previously built, even Herod’s temple that was quite large, which existed during the earthly ministry of Christ.

After giving details concerning the size and appearance of the temple and the altar, the Lord then begins to give detailed instruction as to the animal sacrifices that will be offered (Ezekiel 43:18-27). In chapter 44, the Lord gives instructions as to who will be offering sacrifices to the Lord. The Lord states that all of the Levites will not be offering blood and fat to the Lord due to previous sin; it will be those from the lineage of Zadok (verse 15). Chapters 45 and 46 continue to mention that animal sacrifices will be made.

The primary objection made to the idea of animal sacrifices returning during the millennial kingdom is that Christ has come and offered a perfect sacrifice for sin, and there is therefore no need to sacrifice animals for sin. However, it must be remembered that animal sacrifice never removed the sin that spiritually separated a person from the Lord.

Hebrews 10:1-4 says, “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (NASB).

It is incorrect to think that animal sacrifices took away sins in the Old Testament, and it is incorrect to think they will do so in the millennial kingdom. Animal sacrifices served as object lessons for the sinner, that sin was and is a horrible offense against God, and that the result of sin is death. Romans 3:20 says, “Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.”

Most premillennial scholars agree that the purpose of animal sacrifice during the millennial kingdom is memorial in nature. As the Lord’s Supper is a reminder of the death of Christ to the Church today, animal sacrifices will be a reminder during the millennial kingdom. To those born during the millennial kingdom, animal sacrifices will again be an object lesson. During that future time, righteousness and holiness will prevail, but those with earthly bodies will still have a sin nature, and there will be a need to teach about how offensive sin is to a holy and righteous God. Animal sacrifices will serve that purpose, "but in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year" (Hebrews 10:3).