Joshua’s long day

It seems you have forgotten your definition for darkness is absence of light which also means 'no light'. So essentially what you are saying is that there was darkness before the universe existed.

Certainly energy was created. Darkness and silence, as already explained, are the opposites of light and sound. They are default conditions; what you get in the absence of light and sound and not, as you claim, separate entities in themselves. The early universe was dark and silent, but darkness and silence do not have to be created. Light and sound emerge when the conditions for them exist, so when stars formed and when vibrations occur in a sufficiently dense medium.
Why don’t you study science? It will help you to appreciate God’s creation.

In order to understand a definition, you have to have a context. Darkness is the absence of light. In the beginning it was dark. But in the context of ‘before the universe existed, what was there?’ It is possible to say it was dark and silent, but this is slightly misleading because there is nothing to be dark or silent in. So we are arguing over language. I hope by now you see what I was trying to say.

Gravity works on objects so its existence actually depends on objects, if the there were no objects in the entire universe, would gravity still exist independently? how?

Einstein found that mass and energy have an equivalence, and gravity and acceleration indistinguishable.

energetic, massless particles ((like photons)) contribute to the curvature of space, which is appears to be effectively equivalent to gravity.

God is immaterial and all immaterial things were never created and can never be destroyed because they are immaterial.
Saying they are unknown is simply incorrect - we know darkness because we can interact with it and experience it.

God is immaterial? While generally speaking immaterial refers unto something which is of little importance yet in regards to philosophy refers unto the spiritual. But in either context, that are wells without.

You can say you know darkness and interact with it and experience it yet darkness was created in the beginning as written in Genesis 1:2 wherein it is written that the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. While I won't argue that darkness in the scriptures doesn't mean the absence of light, but I would aver to the passage which warns the believer in Luke 11:35
"Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness."

I wouldn't say i'm an expert in this field, only have most basic knowledge but if i understand you well, you are saying that photons despite being massless (therefore not 'objects') are affected by gravity.

To me, this statement is inherently contradictory because a photon which is light can not accelerate therefore not affected by gravity.

Genesis 1 doesn't say God created darkness and most of the other references in the bible where it is said God creates darkness or darkness being mentioned is only symbolic to mean sin and the opposite which is light is symbolic of knowledge of God.

Imagine darkness being created at certain point in time and remember that the condition that must be there in the absence of darkness is always referred to as light and ask yourself, before darkness was created, was the light?

acceleration is change in velocity over time. velocity is a speed with a direction. so a change in direction is an acceleration just as a change in speed is, and speed that decreases is a deceleration - a negative acceleration, but an acceleration nonetheless. steering your car through a curve is accelerating it, and so is braking, by the physicists definition.

gravity is equivalent to curvature of space; a photon takes the shortest path but in curved space that's not necessarily a straight line. it bends around a mass because it's following a shortest path in curved space, 'lensing' in an arc.

what i was saying though is that the photon itself also bends spacetime as it moves through it. not because of its mass, but because of its energy - which is equivalent to mass through the E = mc2 relationship Einstein found.

We country folks do enjoy great benefits from folk wisdom, unlike you intellectuals, scholars and just plain over-citified.

Here is wisdom from an Alabama bumper sticker, and I do adhere to it always.

"God said it! I believe it! That settles it!"

I do wish everyone would stop their yammering now.

It is a good thing to have a reason to believe what you believe because with reason comes understanding and knowledge, something that God says is good for His people, without knowledge, His people perish.

Many religions are detrimental because of the 'just believe' notion.
It is written "...if your eye makes you sin, pluck it.." Many will pluck their eyes out for 'just' believing and never understanding.

God who represented by three is Light, God is Spirit, God is love. God creates darkness and forms light and from that he assigned darkness to represent evil and light to represent that which is good. Therefore using the word good to represent Him not seen . This is after each day he ends it with...…. and God saw it was good.

Even the Son of man Jesus the temporal as that seen when called good teacher refused to be called good and gave glory to God and replied only God is good . Good defines God not seen.

The first three days of light and darkness. Each day he created darkness for 12 hours and for the remaining 12 he formed light . On the forth day he set the two temporal time keepers in the universe the Sun and the Moon.

In the end of time on the last day both the Sun and the moon will have served its temporal purpose .light to represent that which is good, God. And darkness to represent evil . Then the contrast between what is good and what is evil will not apply for there shall be no night there.(no evil)

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation21:22-25

He gives us a beautiful picture of that last day in the parable found in chapter 12. The chaste virgin bride of Christ clothed with the righteous of the glory of God. The two temporal time keepers under her feet

Revelation 12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

Yep....and on the side above measuring is 180 degrees....with the OTHER 180 degrees on the opposite side....the math is still the same.....

12 hours × 60 minutes = 720 ÷ 180 degrees = 4 × 10 degrees = 40 minutes

24 hours × 60 minutes = 1440 ÷ 360 degrees = 4 minutes × 10 degrees = 40 minutes

how many degrees there are in a hour on a sun dial

But darkness and silence don't depend on anything so they don't have to be in anything. They don't travel so can't be stopped or blocked and they are immaterial so they can not be contained. They are simply 'nothing' and nothing doesn't require anything, but they are also something because they are part of our day to day reality so they are also real.

1. You go out in the night and say "..it is dark.." and not "..it is nothing.."

2. When a blind man testifies and says "..it is dark..", their testimony will not be acceptable because they lack the measuring instrument (a functioning eye) to make that reality call and it also means that their consciousness (mind) to this reality is disconnected.
It also means that darkness despite being nothing, is measurable because we can testify and allocate levels of darkness- too dark
/slightly dark.

So my point is, nothingness is brought to existence or becomes reality when a conscious mind measures/contrasts/ compares and from there all reality (including physical things) base their existence from.
Without silence, you can never have the reality of sound which is a physical reality but the mind by contrasting/comparing sound to silence, accepts that indeed sound is something therefore it exists.

This is how God created everything; Himself being a conscious mind/spirit- everything proceeded from within Him and all reality is within Him.

Darkness and silence do depend on something.

My argument is that light exists whether there are minds to perceive it or not and this is confirmed by science. The first light appeared 13 billion years ago. The only mind around back then was God’s. If you are going to say that the entire creation only exists in the mind of God, that is possible, but I don’t see that this is the argument you have been making.