What did Jesus mean when He said...

Zmouth said,
"Or possibly the LORD created darkness by his light and created evil by his word:"


Your post seemed to imply that evil was just was exposed. That because of the light, we know darkness. Because of His word, evil that exists in made known. Whether or not that was what you were trying to say.... I was just making it clear that I know evil was created for a purpose. That God for His purpose made Satan to fall. Allowed him to rule the rule the world. That He knew exactly what would happen when doing so and that at any time He could destroy him in a second. That there is a reason for the creation of evil.

Evil has not always existed along side God.
It is not a force He hsd to do battle.
People seem to think evil is just a reality as is God.
That we have to learn to defeat it to make it to the promised land.

Knowing that evil was made for a purpose puts a very important
twist on modern Christianity. If God made satan, and satan
causes people to sin, who is held accountable? The people or satan?

God could have not created satan and allowed him to enter into
the garden. And if satan had not entered into the garden, that
garden would still exist and Adam and Eve would still be enjoying
paradise.

To think Adam and eve would have sinned without the influence
of Satan would be the same as saying...

God made a mistake when He made us.

The people that go into both gates are regenerated children of God. The children that go into the wide gate are the ones that are teaching and preaching a false doctrine, as indicated in Matt 7:15. Those children of God that, find by searching, go into the straight gate are the ones that find the doctrine of Jesus, which is his church.

If you look at John 14:1-6
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-Chapter-14/

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now look at Acts 4:12
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-Chapter-4/

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
9If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.


Look at What Jesus said in John 14:6 and what Peter said in Acts 4:12
Jesus is saying He is the Only way to the Father, Peter is saying in Acts that Jesus is the only name under heaven where by people must be saved.

The Broad road and the Narrow road is a parable for eternity.
Few people will follow the narrow road, or after Jesus for salvation.
The Broad road is the road that many people will follow for salvation.

Their are 2 roads into eternity. The Narrow road, which is what true Christians follow relying soley on Jesus for salvation and a way to heaven.

The broad road is the road the world follows, relying on anything or anyone other than Jesus. Whether it is Allah, Buddah, Themselves, or through athieism and denying any diety. (The broad road is the road leading right to hell.)

Good answer! So many people try to make this about doctrinal differences within Christianity, as though they have completely forgotten the existence of anyone outside the Church.

Immanuel Jesus used references familiar to his people at the time in order to deliver solid relevant messages they would comprehend from a personal level first.
There are and were in history twelve gates in Jerusalem when Immanuel delivered this parable. Gates all who heard him preach would be familiar with as pertained to his guidance and warning concerning both the broad and the narrow gate. Likely it is the then HaKohan gate that listeners would have thought to be the narrow gate. This was the entry way by which the Shechinah or, Divine Presence, did appear. And as the prophecy stated, would do so again.
That was also the gate by which Immanuel Jesus entered when arriving on the back of the donkey therein fulfilling ancient prophecy about the arrival of the Mashiach or Messiah.
While likely the wide gate would have been thought by the people to be a reference to the Huldah gate on I believe the southern wall of the Jerusalem city. Reaching back to Deuteronomy 18, it would be the gate into the city and the entrance by which the chapter 18 unbelievers in Mashiach would enter.

The whole parable meaning, faith in Immanuel follows a very narrow parameter of prophecy concerning the living holy spirit of God and his mission to redeem his people. And therein after the mission upon which they would embark as emissaries of holiness. Whereas the wide gate that led to Jerusalem and its inner parts where the allegiances to Rome, the worldly markets and vices, would receive anyone who had a carnal hunger to satisfy the appetite of self.
That's my understanding of the Matthew scripture .

You have to completely ignore the passages:
1. No one comes to me unless first called by the Father.
That would mean God chooses who believes.
And He does it not because they earned it.
2. It is by nothing you have done that you are saved.
Faith is a gift. Nothing means nothing.
3. If you believe Me, keep my commands.
Everyone dies a sinner, therefore no one truly believes
the way it is said to in order to save yourself.
4. If I am raised, I will draw all peoples to myself.
5. Every knee shall bow.
6. For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach,because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.

There are many verses like these that contradict
what you think the narrow and wide represent.
When the simply stated is taken to heart,
we know what they represent.
Few find it. and as of today the only two
that we know of that didn't die are Enoch and Elijah.
That is the narrow
Everyone else dies sinners (wide) and will be saved when
He returns. It's simply stated over and over.
Every human being will be saved.
Even those that preach a loving God casts His own
children, that He made, into the lake of fire.
Because He doesn't. And if He doesn't, and
those who preach he does....
Lord have mercy. And He will. even on
those who preach God is evil.

Seek! And you will find. I sought and the Father drew me to Jesus, my Everlasting Father and Savior. If this sounds offish to anyone, read more with prayer and meditation.

You are close in your conclusions.

But I think you are wrong in thinking that God chooses Everyone.

God chose the Hebrews and didn't choose the Egyptians. God chose Israel and didn't choose the Amorites and Canaanites. God chose Abel and didn't choose Cain.

John 3:17-21
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

There you go replying to my posts and ignoring the simply stated by God.
There is much you do not know.
The "ites" were all Nephilim and not human beings.
As for who were chosen here, where are they now?
They are dead. So apparently they were not chosen
except to do Gods will and not as being saved.

The things that happen in our first lives are not what
the salvation is speaking of. For no one conquers sin.

The salvation happens when Jesus comes back.

No one is saved until satan and his angels are removed.
The lake of fire is for them.

They are not my conclusions. I didn't write the Bible.

Here is Jesus speaking of some of the chosen

8 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

Everyone is dying. Christians, Mormons, Buddhists, atheists....
No one is taking of that bread apparently.

Hey chuck, what version do you use? Secondly their are no contradictions in the bible.

Not everyone will be saved when he returns, and you mean raptured. Salvation comes from Repenting of your sins and giving your life to Christ. Only those who accepted Jesus as their Lord and savior, they will be caught up in the air with him when he returns.

No he will not have mercy on preachers of false doctrines, they will be cast into the lake of fire with satan and the false prophet, (the antichrist) False doctrines vary from earning your salvation by works, salvation by baptism, infant baptism, speaking in unknown toungues, God chooses who will be saved or not... etc...

Thanks Dino.

If you believe that all mankind will be saved, how do you explain Matt 25:46?

1 Cor 2:14 explains the condition of the natural man. At the last day, all of the people who are still in their natural state and have not been regenerated as explained in Eph 2:5 will not go to heaven. The natural man, that cannot discern spiritual things will not, and, even, cannot teach or preach about anything of a spiritual nature, so, all of the false doctrine preachers and believers will go to heaven, because they have been regenerated and are included in those that Christ died for which is the elect of God.

KJV
It gives a completely different definition of salvation than you do.
Do you read the Bible or just trust a teacher?

I don't believe. I know for a fact. As it is simply stated in the Bible over and over and over again.
Surely you have seen some if not all the verses I have posted. Why have you no comment on them
and how they can be defined saying something different. Do you just ignore them? I wont be as rude.
Matt 25:46 is just one verse in where Jesus describes judgment day. If you read His entire description
you will notice 3 things.
1. No where is there any mention of anyone needing to believe in Him b4 they die their first life.
2. Only those that have never done a good deed towards a human being are cast.
3.Those that have ever done a good deed towards a human being are saved. Something the
fallen or their bastard kin have never done.

Also. If you read the entire thing you will also have to ask yourself if only people are there?
For isn't there numerous mentions in scripture about angels being judged?
If it is all people, where does Jesus describe all the fallen angels judgment day?
They are there. Every person and angel is there. Its the final judgment.

Here. Read it. Read it for what it actually says;

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,(nations of people) but the goats on the left. (nations of angels and their kin)

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (The Bible says all peoples will be blessed through Jesus)

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

So it is pretty obvious the so called preached "believe b4 you die" is not a factor on judgment day. If it was Jesus would have surely mentioned it. The cold hard truth is that we all fail and die sinners and need saving. Believers and non believers alike.
To think just because one claims to believe and can go sinning without repercussion is about as ridiculous as anything I have ever heard. And it is no where in the Bible that a sinner is saved while still sinning. Rather it is stated over and over, if you believe, then keep the commands. That no one will and all will die in their sin. These are cold hard facts. And they are all part of the real plan that very few know about because very few are capable of reading the Bible for what it really says. They just spew the lies they are taught from the pulpit and their teachers in the higher ranks of their religious denominations. They just believe what they are taught and never question it. And never study it out for themselves. Because if you did, and you really wanted the truth, it is all right there between the covers of the original English translations of the Bible. Not these new translations that have been cleverly changed to kinda fit in with the improper theologies we have floating around now.

And most people don't know that before the Romans took over, most believers knew and preached that Jesus was the Savior of the World. That fact was preach during the original Church and all the way up to the Romans. Failure to study History leaves you ignorant of the truths of the original Church and the changes that took place when the Romans took charge. Fact check it.

And just use your plain common sense that God gave you. A loving God does not cast His children into eternal punishment.
He made you. If there are any mistakes, the Maker is to blame. DO you judge the pot or the potter if the pot isn't round.

Everyone is on about free will. To have free will there has to be a choice. Which is why satan was created. Free will is the right to choose something other than what would be Gods will. And God can not be present when the choice is presented. He could convince or even compel you to make the right decision, but that would be Him and not you.

Satan has been around since the beginning. He corrupted the first couple. Do you not think GOd could have destroyed satan then or at anytime between then and now? What? DO you think satan is a match for the Father. That God is preparing to do battle with a powerful force and much training and soldiers are needed? God spoke everything into existence and with a word anything He has made could be taken out of existence.

Knowing those facts, common sense has to tell you that this is not a test where only the special make it.
Because we all die. It is a lesson. A hard one. That you don't get to choose. You are a made thing.
You had no doing in the making of yourself. You are a temple meant to house His Spirit. Free will
means His Spirit has to leave and without that you are weak and dead.

it's all about 'personal sacrifice for our Love of our Holy Saviour...

Personal sacrifice only happens when compelled from above.
No one comes to me unless first called by the Father.
Anyone who truly has the Spirit will give the Father the glory
for anything good that comes from himself.
The disciples said to Jesus;
We have come to believe
Jesus replied;
Did I not choose you?
That means they did not choose to believe.
They were compelled. Made to.
When Jesus said, follow me to every disciple,
each one immediately got up and followed
without question.
It wasn't a request.
When Jesus tells a blind eye to see, it sees.
When Jesus tells lame legs to walk, they walk.
If Jesus needs you to do something,
you will do it.
John 7

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
(Speaking of both people and Himself.)
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Just takes a little serious study.
Read your Bible.
Forget what men have taught you
Let the Bible teach you.

HE meant,there Is only one way to Eternal Life.