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VCO said:
Have you gone crazy?

I have proved to you that you are SAVED, the moment you have faith, THEN and only THEN, will the LOVE comes forth out of your HEART, and OBEDIENCE is part of LOVE.

He does not say this is FAITH, does he? You are comparing apples (FAITH) to oranges (LOVE). You have fallen for a False Gospel.

SALVATION IS TOTALLY A WORK OF CHRIST, it is a DONE DEAL THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE, a FREE GIFT OF GOD.
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Thank you VCO, our faith is a gift of God that we receive the moment we are born again, we love because He first loved us and the love of God is shed abroad in our heart.

You cannot move love and faith around like they are on a board game of checkers.

Romans5:5
"And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."
 
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I sent that post to the wrong person eternally-gratefull by mistake, I want to apologize to everyone for that error. It should have gone to benhur instead.
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Its all good friend, I kind of thought that is who it was meant for..lol
 
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[QUOTE="calibob, post: 3730946, member: 270740"]The word is confabulate. It's a trick the subconscious plays on the conscious mind to believe lies and make up justifications for the balderdash that it wants to seem logical. It's part of our sinful nature.[/QUOTE]

Hi Calibob, I'm a bit confused because I do not see the word, "confabulate." which can mean, "engage in a conversation.", no problem here I just did not see the connection.
 
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benhur said:
These ministers believe that all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you are automatically, and immediately saved in the KOG. (Misinterpretation nonsense)
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eternally-gratefull said:
Dude do you ever give up on this nonsense

You can not call something satanic or a cult when you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS. (Proven by your continued false application of truths about what we believe)

I am sorry for being blunt, but this gets old.
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Hi E-g, no need to apologize I've been trying to explain the Gospel to benhur ever since he came to this thread.
However he continues to push is concocted fake gospel, (which is really no gospel at all).
 
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TruthTalk said:
[QUOTE="calibob, post: 3730946, member: 270740"]The word is confabulate. It's a trick the subconscious plays on the conscious mind to believe lies and make up justifications for the balderdash that it wants to seem logical. It's part of our sinful nature.
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Hi Calibob, I'm a bit confused because I do not see the word, "confabulate." which can mean, "engage in a conversation.", no problem here I just did not see the connection.[/QUOTE]
It's a psychology term, uh let me get my dictionary...Confabulation; Filling in gaps of memory by unconstrained fabrication. Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary. IOW, It's a trick the mind plays on itself similar to the clinical meaning of 'denial.'
 
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VCO said:
NO, the reason for saying it that way is because it is the TRUTH. SALVATION come the Moment you genuinely believe in JESUS trusting HIM totally. BEFORE ANY WORKS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. Obedience is a PART OF LOVE, not Salvation.
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To the unsaved it seems like foolishness. On a political forum I raise the issue of the gospel and the atheists jeer and make fun of me. To them it is foolish and humorous!! Live with that fact. I face it every time I get on that forum.
 
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This is off subject, I know. So it will be brief. Does anyone else find that posting here late at night, gets you brain going to make it difficult to fall asleep? I know my mind does, but I found a solution. I have found a Mahjong game uses a different side of my brain, so I use it to unwind my brain, and it works. So after I am done posting for the night, I go to the mahjong game: http://www.247mahjong.com/ is my favorite, and it is free. If a Solitaire Ad comes up just X it out. Then to change the board layout click on the Picture of a house in the upper left, and change to one of the many other board layouts. It is a FREE GAME.

And On Topic, here is one of my favorite Verses:

John 17:12 (NKJV)
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.


We do not KEEP OURSELVES from falling out of FAITH.
HE KEEPS US, PERIOD, if we are one of HIS SHEEP.
WE ARE IN HIS HANDS.


Jude 1:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
 
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Let's put it this way, the Holy Spirit enters your Heart, before you can finish the Thought, "I want Jesus as my LORD and Master".
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if this doesn't make our jaw drop as in "wow", then I don't know what does
 
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VCO said:
Have you gone crazy?

I have proved to you that you are SAVED, the moment you have faith
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this is quite an eye-opener, I'm shocked to even conceive how this is even possible, that the saved would reject the fact that they are saved

apparently, I can feel the same sentiment as VCO does, that it's sad to see how there's no limit to human craziness
 
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This is off subject, I know. So it will be brief. Does anyone else find that posting here late at night, gets you brain going to make it difficult to fall asleep? I know my mind does, but I found a solution. I have found a Mahjong game uses a different side of my brain, so I use it to unwind my brain, and it works. So after I am done posting for the night, I go to the mahjong game: http://www.247mahjong.com/ is my favorite, and it is free. If a Solitaire Ad comes up just X it out. Then to change the board layout click on the Picture of a house in the upper left, and change to one of the many other board layouts. It is a FREE GAME.

And On Topic, here is one of my favorite Verses:

John 17:12 (NKJV)
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.


We do not KEEP OURSELVES from falling out of FAITH.
HE KEEPS US, PERIOD, if we are one of HIS SHEEP.
WE ARE IN HIS HANDS.


Jude 1:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
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it's good to have zeal, but we must remember that God rested on the seventh day so we can follow that example and rest, and that is also why he gave the sabbath, sabbath is for man, God could care less about the sabbath if God doesn't care for the limited supply of human energy on this earth.
 
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I sent that post to the wrong person eternally-gratefull by mistake, I want to apologize to everyone for that error. It should have gone to benhur instead.
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Now that is why I do not believe you are BORN AGAIN. You come up with things that only a CULT would say.
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Hi VCO, we understand your post should have gone to benhur instead. I want to agree with you because I am very discouraged to hear benhur say that God will, "cut us off", if we do not produce enough. Nothing will ever separate true born again Christians from the love of God, nothing.

Benhur has not yet apologized to me for his lying about me.
 
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Hi E-g, no need to apologize I've been trying to explain the Gospel to benhur ever since he came to this thread.
However he continues to push is concocted fake gospel, (which is really no gospel at all).
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we failed to get benhur to envy the salvation of the saved, but do not be discouraged
 
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calibob said:
It's easy to be mamby pamby and preach Sunshine, lollypops and rainbows. Folks make a lot of money doing it but it's unrealistic. If we teach the truth, stand against the enemy and preach the word were gonna get stoned. The enemies hate the truth because there is no defense against it. The demon of confusion has a lot of influence among us. Please let's move forward to more productive topics in Jesus name!
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I know that hell is bad, and do you know what I think the worst part is. The instinctual reflex of the flesh will make it worse (the impulse and how uncontrollable it is), and if this isn't reason enough to ask Jesus to spiritually crucify the flesh, then I don't know what is, that flesh need to be tamed at least.

Hell is so bad, if you think you can meditate, you'd be delusional. (and this is based on logic and deductive reasoning on how bad hell is)

the idea of hell can get people to lash out against you, however, it's better to get people to envy the salvation of the saved, it will put in mind "if they can be saved, then perhaps I can be saved as well"
 
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theanointedsinner said:
we failed to get benhur to envy the salvation of the saved, but do not be discouraged
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He needs to read what Jesus said about the subject.

John 10 NIV
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
 
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VCO said:
What about the Mutes? Jesus will consider the thought as wanting to verbalize it, therefore they are saved too.
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are you trying to say that even if Helen Keller is also mute, she can still be saved?

(Helen Keller is both deaf and blind)
 
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theanointedsinner said:
this is quite an eye-opener, I'm shocked to even conceive how this is even possible, that the saved would reject the fact that they are saved

apparently, I can feel the same sentiment as VCO does, that it's sad to see how there's no limit to human craziness
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I see it as a VAIN attempt at ROBBING CHRIST of the PAID in FULL GLORY, HE deserves for SAVING US and KEEPING US SAVED.


Romans 3:27-28 (TLB)
27 Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why? Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him.
28 So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do.

Hebrews 1:14 (NCV)
14 All the angels are spirits who serve God and are sent to help those who will receive salvation.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.


Our FAITH cannot be destroyed, corrupted, or dies, just look at the protection we have.
 
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calibob said:
For me love was a gift recieved from the holy spirit. That's how I knew I was saved. I had little or none before, suddenly I was overflowing with it. The night I was saved.
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Good story, that is what the Holy Spirit does to a good person. That is why I say 'love' is part of the saving process. Without love, nothing happens.
 
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VCO said:
This is off subject, I know. So it will be brief. Does anyone else find that posting here late at night, gets you brain going to make it difficult to fall asleep? I know my mind does, but I found a solution. I have found a Mahjong game uses a different side of my brain, so I use it to unwind my brain, and it works. So after I am done posting for the night, I go to the mahjong game: http://www.247mahjong.com/ is my favorite, and it is free. If a Solitaire Ad comes up just X it out. Then to change the board layout click on the Picture of a house in the upper left, and change to one of the many other board layouts. It is a FREE GAME.

And On Topic, here is one of my favorite Verses:

John 17:12 (NKJV)
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.


We do not KEEP OURSELVES from falling out of FAITH.
HE KEEPS US, PERIOD, if we are one of HIS SHEEP.
WE ARE IN HIS HANDS.


Jude 1:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
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Love this game , thank you VOC...xox...
 
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VCO said:
I see it as a VAIN attempt at ROBBING CHRIST of the PAID in FULL GLORY, HE deserves for SAVING US and KEEPING US SAVED.


Romans 3:27-28 (TLB)
27 Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why? Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him.
28 So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do.

Hebrews 1:14 (NCV)
14 All the angels are spirits who serve God and are sent to help those who will receive salvation.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.


Our FAITH cannot be destroyed, corrupted, or dies, just look at the protection we have.
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How many Christians do you know that have now left the faith?
 
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