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VCO

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by the way, keep in mind that "keeping your guard up" does not save you, "keeping your guard up" is meant to preserve the purity of one's heart (with God's help of course)

salvation is sustained by God
you play a role in the quality of your relationship with God

He are verses that says the same thing you just said:



1 Peter 1:3-6 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 You rejoice in this, though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials
 

TruthTalk

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Let's put it this way, the Holy Spirit enters your Heart, before you can finish the Thought, "I want Jesus as my LORD and Master".
Hi VCO, your statement is 100% correct being born again is the regeneration of a new born babe in Christ. Our heavenly birth is only similar to our earthly birth in that "we had absolutely nothing to do with our being born again, it was all of God.

Nice post, thank you and God bless!
 

TruthTalk

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Well....good morning CC crew HAHA.....my sat. internet has been off for about 3 hours this morning and then hit and miss....the Satellite is in the south so maybe the hurricane is messing it up.....I must say that the workers for and Cainologists will attempt to gain or maintain salvation today to no avail.....

Jesus saves by faith and faith in and of itself....

HE that believes on the SO is having everlasting life. <---this is the narrow way and the only door into the kingdom.
Hi decon, your internet problems are likely storm related; "Category 4 monster storm" say's Florida's Gov. Rick Scott. I Pray God keeps Floridian's as safe as can be. God bless the people of Florida right now.

ABC News: https://abc13.com/weather/hurricane-michael-track-monstrous-storm-now-at-category-3/3548191/
Hurricane Michael is now an "extremely dangerous" Category 4 storm as it closes in on the Florida Panhandle.
"monstrous" Category 4 storm with a dangerous storm surge of up to 12 feet, officials said.

"You cannot hide from storm surge," Florida Gov. Rick Scott warned at a news conference Tuesday. "We can rebuild your house, but we cannot rebuild your life."
 
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Hi decon, likely your internet problems are storm related; "Category 4 monster storm" say's Florida's Gov. Rick Scott. I Pray God keeps Floridian's as safe as can be. God bless the people of Florida right now.

ABC News: https://abc13.com/weather/hurricane-michael-track-monstrous-storm-now-at-category-3/3548191/
Hurricane Michael is now an "extremely dangerous" Category 4 storm as it closes in on the Florida Panhandle.
"monstrous" Category 4 storm with a dangerous storm surge of up to 12 feet, officials said.

"You cannot hide from storm surge," Florida Gov. Rick Scott warned at a news conference Tuesday. "We can rebuild your house, but we cannot rebuild your life."
I am not worried about the storm surge HAHAHA it it gets to me in Missouri.....10's of millions are dead ;)
 

TruthTalk

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Well....good morning CC crew HAHA.....my sat. internet has been off for about 3 hours this morning and then hit and miss....the Satellite is in the south so maybe the hurricane is messing it up.....I must say that the workers for and Cainologists will attempt to gain or maintain salvation today to no avail.....

Jesus saves by faith and faith in and of itself....

HE that believes on the "SO", (?), having everlasting life. <---this is the narrow way and the only door into the kingdom.
Hi decon, what the heck does, "SO" mean, please excuse my denseness of brainology this morning.

Thanks and God bless!
 
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Well....good morning CC crew HAHA.....my sat. internet has been off for about 3 hours this morning and then hit and miss....the Satellite is in the south so maybe the hurricane is messing it up.....I must say that the workers for and Cainologists will attempt to gain or maintain salvation today to no avail.....

Jesus saves by faith and faith in and of itself....

HE that believes on the SON is having everlasting life. <---this is the narrow way and the only door into the kingdom.
Corrected the above...missed the "N" when I wrote the post
 

benhur

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No snake handling? Well how bout spirit filled clog dancing or vomiting out demons or there's this neat trick with rat poison and kool aid or maybe some peyote, sage, rocks and a wig wam?
Wow, calibob, you say you have been saved, and then you say these unholy words to a fellow Christian. Do you ever stop and think about what awful words you say?
 

calibob

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Wow, calibob, you say you have been saved, and then you say these unholy words to a fellow Christian. Do you ever stop and think about what awful words you say?
Yes I make fun of the ridiculous, I openly oppose cults, Idolatry, spiritualism, necromancy, Ouija Boards, astrology and I make fun of it all. I've known people that have come out of some of those practices and trust me those practices deserve no respect. Nor do those who preach or teach them.
 

TruthTalk

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He are verses that says the same thing you just said:

1 Peter 1:3-6 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 You rejoice in this, though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials
Hi VCO, love these verses, the Gospel is very clear; "we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ." "Not By Works" When people begin to mix grace plus works, they are concocting a "counterfeit gospel" a counterfeit gospel is equal to a counterfeit Christ.

Titus3:5
"he saved us, "not because of works" done by us in righteousness, but "according to his own mercy", by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

1Peter1:3-6
1) "He has given us a new birth into a living hope."
2) "through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.)
3) "into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading."
4) "Kept in heaven for you."
5) "You are being protected by God’s power through faith."
6) "a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time."
7) "though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials."
 

benhur

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NO, the reason for saying it that way is because it is the TRUTH. SALVATION come the Moment you genuinely believe in JESUS trusting HIM totally. BEFORE ANY WORKS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. Obedience is a PART OF LOVE, not Salvation.
Just the act of believing is a good work. And there is good work that is done before a person believes. One has to be in a position to hear or read the Word of God. Then they have to think about it and maybe even pray about it, or maybe even some investigation with a good active Christian. All of these activities involves good works. Hearing or reading, thinking about it, praying about it, investigating it, and finally believing it. All good works. So as you see there have been some might good works before a person even gets to belief.

You may say that all I said is heresy, because it is God that provides all of that work to get a person ready for a belief in Him. But I say it is a 2-way street. God, through the Holy Spirit does put into the heart of a person who is drawn to Him. But ultimately it is the person that makes the decision to do something about the way they feel about what they have heard or read. God will not force a person to heaven. Neither will God leave a person out of heaven.

Calvinist Christian believe that God is in complete control of the situation. If God wishes someone to believe then He provides the way for them to believe. If God wishes them not to believe then He does not provide a way. I do not believe that God acts in this manner, because that means God chooses who goes to heaven and the undescribable, incredible beautiful life with God and His Son Jesus Christ for eternity. But God also chooses who goes to hell, and the undescribable, incredible horror or life with satan for eternity. I cannot believe that God acts unilaterally in this manner.

Therefore God does draw people to Him and His Son, but a person has to respond to the draw and start their investigation of His Son Jesus Christ in order to believe. Many that are drawn, eventually to let it go for many, many reasons. Many, however, do feel the draw and start on a path to a glorious future. That process is a good work, and part of the salvation process.

Through God, they come to the Son and eventually believe. They are saved, and are born-again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit and water baptized as a sign to the whole world. They are now a new person in Christ, ready to be engaged in the work of the Lord, that he before ordained them that they should walk in these good works for their betterment, and the beterment of our brethren, and bring much fruit into the KOG.
 

calibob

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Have you ever heard of the Children of God cult, flirty fishing or whoring for the lord? The encouraged their young women to become prostitutes to support the ministry AND to save men's souls by getting them to confess jesus before having sex. Really. The Feds caught on but some remnants are still around! The CRI tries to rescue and deprogram folks like these semi innocent girls from the brain washing they received by leaders crazier than Reverend Moon.
 

TruthTalk

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Here's the link if you'd like more info about the struggle against modern cults and how to identify and combat them
http://www.equip.org/ That's the Christian research institute.
Hi Calibob, I remember reading Walter Martin's book on the Kingdom of the Cult's when I was a new born babe in Christ, around 1978. It was very eye opening how many intelligent people would fall pray to "False Teachers", and I suppose that is why I speak against false teaching to this day.

Just like fake money, when you study the real money a fake dollar bill automatically look fake. Like wise when we know the True Gospel through and Through we will automatically recognize a counterfeit gospel. That is the purpose of dcon's starting this thread "Not By Works", is to take a stand against fake gospels.

And I know this is nothing new to you that I am saying but it could be a little help to others who fall prey to fake gospels. Sometimes the devil appears as an angel of light.

2Corinthians11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 

benhur

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NO, the reason for saying it that way is because it is the TRUTH. SALVATION come the Moment you genuinely believe in JESUS trusting HIM totally. BEFORE ANY WORKS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. Obedience is a PART OF LOVE, not Salvation.
Is "faith" part of salvation? Because it is more important to have "love", than to have "faith", so "love" has to be part of the salvation process too. Your board of pastors have overanalyzed this process too much, and have decided that 'love' is somehow not part of the salvation process, how interesting.

A lack of 'love' for Jesus, means a person hates Jesus or is neutral and want nothing to do with Jesus. Is that the kind of person Jesus is going to have in his Kingdom? No.
 

calibob

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Hi Calibob, I remember reading Walter Martin's book on the Kingdom of the Cult's when I was a new born babe in Christ, around 1978. It was very eye opening how many intelligent people would fall pray to "False Teachers", and I suppose that is why I speak against false teaching to this day.

Just like fake money, when you study the real money a fake dollar bill automatically look fake. Like wise when we know the True Gospel through and Through we will automatically recognize a counterfeit gospel. That is the purpose of dcon's starting this thread "Not By Works", is to take a stand against fake gospels.

And I know this is nothing new to you that I am saying but it could be a little help to others who fall prey to fake gospels. Sometimes the devil appears as an angel of light.
Walter Martin was my favorite Adult Sunday school teacher. When I was a young Christian too.
 

benhur

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Have you ever heard of the Children of God cult, flirty fishing or whoring for the lord? The encouraged their young women to become prostitutes to support the ministry AND to save men's souls by getting them to confess jesus before having sex. Really. The Feds caught on but some remnants are still around! The CRI tries to rescue and deprogram folks like these semi innocent girls from the brain washing they received by leaders crazier than Reverend Moon.
These ministers believe that all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you are automatically, and immediately saved in the KOG.
So the means to get them to believe is not important, the important thing is to get them to believe and confess Jesus. Once they have done this and they are saved, they can have sex all they want, because Jesus will forgive them and all is well.

This is the absurd side of OSAS, but it is clearly one of the sides, as horrible as it sounds, ministers can take this extreme position because that is what they have been taught. The whores are forgiven, the sex is forgiven, and by grace all is forgiven because you are saved.

It is absurd to you and me, but to some it makes perfect sense. Like I say, it is the absurd side of OSAS turned upside down and now it is a tool for satan as seen in this cult.
 

calibob

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Is "faith" part of salvation? Because it is more important to have "love", than to have "faith", so "love" has to be part of the salvation process too. Your board of pastors have overanalyzed this process too much, and have decided that 'love' is somehow not part of the salvation process, how interesting.

A lack of 'love' for Jesus, means a person hates Jesus or is neutral and want nothing to do with Jesus. Is that the kind of person Jesus is going to have in his Kingdom? No.
For me love was a gift recieved from the holy spirit. That's how I knew I was saved. I had little or none before, suddenly I was overflowing with it. The night I was saved.