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These ministers believe that all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you are automatically, and immediately saved in the KOG.
So the means to get them to believe is not important, the important thing is to get them to believe and confess Jesus. Once they have done this and they are saved, they can have sex all they want, because Jesus will forgive them and all is well.

This is the absurd side of OSAS, but it is clearly one of the sides, as horrible as it sounds, ministers can take this extreme position because that is what they have been taught. The whores are forgiven, the sex is forgiven, and by grace all is forgiven because you are saved.

It is absurd to you and me, but to some it makes perfect sense. Like I say, it is the absurd side of OSAS turned upside down and now it is a tool for satan as seen in this cult.
Dude do you ever give up on this nonsense?

This is not what it means to have faith in Christ, So please stop it. All you do is alienate people because you keep claiming they teach and believe things whch are not true.

If you can not sit for one moment and try to understand what people believe. Why Bother even discussing anythign with them, there is NO HOPE of having a discussion because you are always slandering their faith and belief based on non truths.

You can not call something satanic or a cult when you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS. (Proven by your continued false application of truths about what we believe)

I am sorry for being blunt, but this gets old.
 

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Dude do you ever give up on this nonsense?

This is not what it means to have faith in Christ, So please stop it. All you do is alienate people because you keep claiming they teach and believe things whch are not true.

If you can not sit for one moment and try to understand what people believe. Why Bother even discussing anythign with them, there is NO HOPE of having a discussion because you are always slandering their faith and belief based on non truths.

You can not call something satanic or a cult when you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS. (Proven by your continued false application of truths about what we believe)

I am sorry for being blunt, but this gets old.
Now that is why I do not believe you are BORN AGAIN. You come up with things that only a CULT would say.
 

calibob

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These ministers believe that all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you are automatically, and immediately saved in the KOG.
So the means to get them to believe is not important, the important thing is to get them to believe and confess Jesus. Once they have done this and they are saved, they can have sex all they want, because Jesus will forgive them and all is well.

This is the absurd side of OSAS, but it is clearly one of the sides, as horrible as it sounds, ministers can take this extreme position because that is what they have been taught. The whores are forgiven, the sex is forgiven, and by grace all is forgiven because you are saved.

It is absurd to you and me, but to some it makes perfect sense. Like I say, it is the absurd side of OSAS turned upside down and now it is a tool for satan as seen in this cult.
It's more absurd because men were saved by speaking the words and belief was not required. I looked up something this AM and it's called hyper grace some think it gives them permission to sin, but we're not supposed to debate about it here, it only starts trouble.
 

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Wow, calibob, you say you have been saved, and then you say these unholy words to a fellow Christian.
Do you ever stop and think about what awful words you say?
Hi benhur, I never said these words; so why not begin your next post with an apology to me for lying about me on a public forum. I never said these words, ever; "that I should be blackballed and kicked off the forum"

But you are the only one that says that I should be blackballed and kicked off the forum . You are the only one with a rather black heart, and hurtful words (I never said these words you are lying).
you are the only one that says that I should be blackballed and kicked off the forum. (I never said these words).
 

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Just the act of believing is a good work. And there is good work that is done before a person believes. One has to be in a position to hear or read the Word of God. Then they have to think about it and maybe even pray about it, or maybe even some investigation with a good active Christian. All of these activities involves good works. Hearing or reading, thinking about it, praying about it, investigating it, and finally believing it. All good works. So as you see there have been some might good works before a person even gets to belief.

You may say that all I said is heresy, because it is God that provides all of that work to get a person ready for a belief in Him. But I say it is a 2-way street. God, through the Holy Spirit does put into the heart of a person who is drawn to Him. But ultimately it is the person that makes the decision to do something about the way they feel about what they have heard or read. God will not force a person to heaven. Neither will God leave a person out of heaven.

Calvinist Christian believe that God is in complete control of the situation. If God wishes someone to believe then He provides the way for them to believe. If God wishes them not to believe then He does not provide a way. I do not believe that God acts in this manner, because that means God chooses who goes to heaven and the undescribable, incredible beautiful life with God and His Son Jesus Christ for eternity. But God also chooses who goes to hell, and the undescribable, incredible horror or life with satan for eternity. I cannot believe that God acts unilaterally in this manner.

Therefore God does draw people to Him and His Son, but a person has to respond to the draw and start their investigation of His Son Jesus Christ in order to believe. Many that are drawn, eventually to let it go for many, many reasons. Many, however, do feel the draw and start on a path to a glorious future. That process is a good work, and part of the salvation process.

Through God, they come to the Son and eventually believe. They are saved, and are born-again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit and water baptized as a sign to the whole world. They are now a new person in Christ, ready to be engaged in the work of the Lord, that he before ordained them that they should walk in these good works for their betterment, and the beterment of our brethren, and bring much fruit into the KOG.
 
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Yes I make fun of the ridiculous, I openly oppose cults, Idolatry, spiritualism, necromancy, Ouija Boards, astrology and I make fun of it all. I've known people that have come out of some of those practices and trust me those practices deserve no respect. Nor do those who preach or teach them.
Many are oblivious to the fact that Elijah mocked the false prophets of Baal....that JESUS, John the Baptist both raked false teachers over the coals while cutting them NO SLACK, that PAUL raked a few churches over the Coals, and even RIPPED PETER a new one to his face for his hypocrisy..........
 

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Just the act of believing is a good work. And there is good work that is done before a person believes. . . .
YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG, Believing is a work of the HOLY SPIRIT. You may have blasphemed the Holy Spirit with that comment.


1 Corinthians 12:3 (NKJV)
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord {as a confession} except by the Holy Spirit.
 

calibob

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It's easy to be mamby pamby and preach Sunshine, lollypops and rainbows. Folks make a lot of money doing it but it's unrealistic. If we teach the truth, stand against the enemy and preach the word were gonna get stoned. The enemies hate the truth because there is no defense against it. The demon of confusion has a lot of influence among us. Please let's move forward to more productive topics in Jesus name!
 
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Is "faith" part of salvation? Because it is more important to have "love", than to have "faith", so "love" has to be part of the salvation process too. Your board of pastors have overanalyzed this process too much, and have decided that 'love' is somehow not part of the salvation process, how interesting.

A lack of 'love' for Jesus, means a person hates Jesus or is neutral and want nothing to do with Jesus.
Is that the kind of person Jesus is going to have in his Kingdom? No.
Ben....everything bolded above is false and based on a total lack of understanding......LOVE HAS NO BEARING on the PROCESS of our SALVATION.......THE bible is clear...

IT is NOT THAT WE LOVED HIM, but that HE LOVED US and GAVE HIMSELF for us.<--EVEN while we were DEAD in SINS and TRESPASSES

LOVE is a SPIRITUAL GIFT based UPON BEING SAVED and LOVING GOD is a PROCESS of GROWTH and MATURITY AFTER one has ALREADY BEEN BORN again "saved" from ABOVE.....

You are getting the CART before the OX, CONFLATING SALVATION and SANCTIFICATION and in SO DOING posting things which are NOT true....
 

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Is "faith" part of salvation? Because it is more important to have "love", than to have "faith", so "love" has to be part of the salvation process too. Your board of pastors have overanalyzed this process too much, and have decided that 'love' is somehow not part of the salvation process, how interesting.

A lack of 'love' for Jesus, means a person hates Jesus or is neutral and want nothing to do with Jesus. Is that the kind of person Jesus is going to have in his Kingdom? No.
Have you gone crazy?

I have proved to you that you are SAVED, the moment you have faith, THEN and only THEN, will the LOVE comes forth out of your HEART, and OBEDIENCE is part of LOVE.


1 John 5:3 (NKJV)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.


He does not say this is FAITH, does he? You are comparing apples (FAITH) to oranges (LOVE). You have fallen for a False Gospel.

SALVATION IS TOTALLY A WORK OF CHRIST, it is a DONE DEAL THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE, a FREE GIFT OF GOD.
 

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The second before God saved me by His grace , I only had the love of the world in me , and that love was conditional , the moment I believed and was saved by God`s beautiful grace , His Holy Spirit poured in my heart , His unconditional love for me , I started to view the world with different eyes , this continues to this day...Praise the LORD and thank You Jesus \:)/...

The work I do is when the LORD calls me to serve Him , He directs my path , I can boast of no good thing I have done , for it is God alone who controls me by the leading of His beautiful Holy Spirit , Ben , you seem to lack the Joy of the Holy Spirit , it is a fruit from Him to us , it is a beautiful thing to walk in it , it also comes with peace...Jesus tells us to keep seeking and you will find , sent with much love...xox...
 

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Wow, calibob, you say you have been saved, and then you say these unholy words to a fellow Christian. Do you ever stop and think about what awful words you say?

I can tell Calibob was Just Jesting, BUT LOOK AT THE MOST EVIL ATTACK I HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME, and YES IT IS ONE OF YOUR POSTS:

These ministers believe that all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you are automatically, and immediately saved in the KOG.
So the means to get them to believe is not important, the important thing is to get them to believe and confess Jesus. Once they have done this and they are saved, they can have sex all they want, because Jesus will forgive them and all is well.

This is the absurd side of OSAS, but it is clearly one of the sides, as horrible as it sounds, ministers can take this extreme position because that is what they have been taught. The whores are forgiven, the sex is forgiven, and by grace all is forgiven because you are saved.

It is absurd to you and me, but to some it makes perfect sense. Like I say, it is the absurd side of OSAS turned upside down and now it is a tool for satan as seen in this cult.


Did you go to a CAMP MEETING and get Pumped Up before you launched that ATTACK ? ? ?
 

TruthTalk

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Everybody by now knows my belief system.
But
you are the only one that says that I should be blackballed and kicked off the forum. You are the only one with a rather black heart, and hurtful words to another Christian
Benhur,
"I never said you should be blackballed and kicked of the forum." this is a bold face lie.


Apology Please.

Behur, this is the True Gospel, you are trying push a fake gospel and claim that God will "cut us off" if we are lacking fruit. Nothing will ever separate Christians from the love of our Heavenly Father. We are the Bride of Christ and
Jesus will never forsake His Bride ever. You have concocted a gospel of lies by misinterpreting the bible, your
gospel comes from the imagination of your mind.

True Gospel

Titus3:5
"he saved us, "not because of works" done by us in righteousness, but "according to his own mercy", by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

1Peter1:3-6
1) "He has given us a new birth into a living hope."
2) "through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.)
3) "into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading."
4) "Kept in heaven for you."
5) "You are being protected by God’s power through faith."
6) "a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time."
7) "though now for a short time you have had to struggle in various trials."
 
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Have you gone crazy?

I have proved to you that you are SAVED, the moment you have faith, THEN and only THEN, will the LOVE comes forth out of your HEART, and OBEDIENCE is part of LOVE.


1 John 5:3 (NKJV)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.


He does not say this is FAITH, does he? You are comparing apples (FAITH) to oranges (LOVE). You have fallen for a False Gospel.

SALVATION IS TOTALLY A WORK OF CHRIST, it is a DONE DEAL THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE, a FREE GIFT OF GOD.
Workers for, Cainologists, Pharisees all have a few things in common....

a. They deny and reject context
b. The twist or embellish words
c. They CONFLATE salvation with sanctification
d. They CONFLATE justification with sanctification
e. The blend faith with various hoop jumping religious works for salvation
f. They all teach gospels with no power to save according to Galatians when they do "e" above.
 
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The second before God saved me by His grace , I only had the love of the world in me , and that love was conditional , the moment I believed and was saved by God`s beautiful grace , His Holy Spirit poured in my heart , His unconditional love for me , I started to view the world with different eyes , this continues to this day...Praise the LORD and thank You Jesus \:)/...

The work I do is when the LORD calls me to serve Him , He directs my path , I can boast of no good thing I have done , for it is God alone who controls me by the leading of His beautiful Holy Spirit , Ben , you seem to lack the Joy of the Holy Spirit , it is a fruit from Him to us , it is a beautiful thing to walk in it , it also comes with peace...Jesus tells us to keep seeking and you will find , sent with much love...xox...
Amen Rose....the spiritual gift of Godly love, the Love of God and the Love of God's word only comes after one has been genuinely saved by faith....and it is a process of growth and maturity<---exactly why the bible states...LET the love of God be PERFECTED IN YOU....<--this means brought to completion or matured or finished......it is a process.........many deny this, reject this and or just flat refuse to acknowledge this truth.
 

calibob

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The second before God saved me by His grace , I only had the love of the world in me , and that love was conditional , the moment I believed and was saved by God`s beautiful grace , His Holy Spirit poured in my heart , His unconditional love for me , I started to view the world with different eyes , this continues to this day...Praise the LORD and thank You Jesus \:)/...

The work I do is when the LORD calls me to serve Him , He directs my path , I can boast of no good thing I have done , for it is God alone who controls me by the leading of His beautiful Holy Spirit , Ben , you seem to lack the Joy of the Holy Spirit , it is a fruit from Him to us , it is a beautiful thing to walk in it , it also comes with peace...Jesus tells us to keep seeking and you will find , sent with much love...xox...
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I think denominationalism has worked hard to suppress teachings about baptism of the Holy Spirit and would rather have us rely on intellect alone and miss the message of rely not on your own understanding and would rather have us trust their understanding of the word rather than let the Holy Spirit minister to us 1 on 1. It challenges their authority that we can believe in the invisible power of God to clarify matters regarding the unseen power of god or that we do get,(not can get) filled with love. Faith, hope & love! The greatest is love. Those that can't get that aren't paying attention!
 

calibob

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Workers for, Cainologists, Pharisees all have a few things in common....

a. They deny and reject context
b. The twist or embellish words
c. They CONFLATE salvation with sanctification
d. They CONFLATE justification with sanctification
e. The blend faith with various hoop jumping religious works for salvation
f. They all teach gospels with no power to save according to Galatians when they do "e" above.
The word is confabulate. It's a trick the subconscious plays on the conscious mind to believe lies and make up justifications for the balderdash that it wants to seem logical. It's part of our sinful nature.
 

VCO

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Now that is why I do not believe you are BORN AGAIN. You come up with things that only a CULT would say.
I sent that post to the wrong person eternally-gratefull by mistake, I want to apologize to everyone for that error. It should have gone to benhur instead.