Not By Works

Nice twist....answer my points or do not address me again.....and again you embellish the word to your own demise by adding a word to the text...."mans"

You have NO HONESTY and or ability to be truthful........exactly why many no longer address you

In regards to Matthew 7:21-23, I'll never forget, prior to my conversion several years ago, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I read Matthew 7:22 and thought to myself, wow! These many people accomplished all of that, "prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works" but that still was not "good enough?" Then I thought to myself at that time, how am I going to "top that" and be "good enough?" Such is the mindset of someone who believes that salvation is based on works.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. Religious, but not right with God. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people in Matthew 7:22 were not true converts.

Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! Descriptive of the lost.

This is where believing in eternal security gets many persons...on their way away from God.
If you enjoy sin, there's something wrong...

the main reason I no longer address studyman is this- he does not think Jesus was fully divine and human on earth. that nullifies all of his theology.

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject" (Titus 3:10).

I reject you (and ignore you) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

i disagree with your guess work

but your out of context OT verse means nothing in regards to the conversation 🤔


8104. shamar ►
shamar: to keep, watch, preserve

téreó: to watch over, to guard

So, in your view 'castaway' can only mean lost salvation and an eternity in hell? Not possible a man making shipwreck of his life whereby he is unable to serve God due to a personal failing. I know a few men called to preach that are no longer in the ministry because they failed to keep their body under subjection . . . yet they still love and serve the Lord in other capacities.

You have a serious case of tunnel vision.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness? And if you are, are you ashamed to admit it? Perhaps you fear what men might do to your membership here?

I think if we all ignore these cultists they will pack up and go away . . . they are only seeking the inane attention they are getting.

"Never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

that seems really ill-defined.
do you mean you have to make yourself 'good enough' to receive Him?

in the parable of the wedding feast, where the poor and the lame and the crippled were invited, and everyone going by on the road, someone was thrown out because they weren't dressed in the right clothes. it was evidently important not to be wearing just anything - not like a 'come as you are' party in the common parlance.

everyone needed to be dressed in special robes. where do you think they got their wedding garments? esp. the beggars?
who is the man without the right clothes?

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I'm going to take a wild guess and suggest that my point zoomed right over your head. All unrighteousness is sin, in fact, anything we do that is less than perfect is sin. Also, not doing what you know to be right is also a sin. I merely admit to being a human, or, in other words a sinner saved by grace.

We often, including you, find ourselves doing things that we know we shouldn't but we do them any way because they please us. And we do them until God corrects us with His chastisement. It may be that we suddenly find that heaven is silent to us and we know that we have broken fellowship with God. We decide that it is much better to walk with Him than against Him.

I trust that you are not interpreting my 'enjoyment' of sin as something heinous like adultery, drunkenness or some other gross sin. I'm using more of watching television programs that do not please God, but I get a kick out of them . . . for a season.

Does that clear things up for you, my judge?

I understood what you meant.......I just thank God I am not like you you sinner..........

In regards to Matthew 7:21-23, I'll never forget, prior to my conversion several years ago, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I read Matthew 7:22 and thought to myself, wow! These many people accomplished all of that, "prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works" but that still was not "good enough?" Then I thought to myself at that time, how am I going to "top that" and be "good enough?" Such is the mindset of someone who believes that salvation is based on works.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. Religious, but not right with God. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people in Matthew 7:22 were not true converts.

Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! Descriptive of the lost.

I know, I can hardly stand to be around myself most of the time.

AMEN to the calling them WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS. Yes, I came out the Lutheran Church, with the same ritualistic order of service, with VERY LITTLE BIBLE TEACHING. I put up with it for about a YEAR after I was saved, while I was feeding on the Word taught by John MacArthur, on the Grace To You radio program. Then I just had to find a Church that Taught the Bible for an hour every Sunday. Before I left the Lutheran Church, Pastor confided in me, the board of elders came to him, saying that his 15 min. Sermons were too long, because after all they all wanted to get out of Church before Noon. So they ordered him to cut his sermons to 10 min. He told me he had to move because of that, so he accepted a Senior Pastor position, in a suburb of L.A. where he could teach for a half hour. And, I told him that was too short for me even. After I left that NON-BIBLE Teaching Church, every church I have attended taught sermons at LEAST 45 min. and most have taught sermons for 1 hour or more. Feels good to be WELL FEED.

what's on the menu? spiritually?