Not By Works

I agree that someone's logic is all WRONG.

that seems really ill-defined.
do you mean you have to make yourself 'good enough' to receive Him?

in the parable of the wedding feast, where the poor and the lame and the crippled were invited, and everyone going by on the road, someone was thrown out because they weren't dressed in the right clothes. it was evidently important not to be wearing just anything - not like a 'come as you are' party in the common parlance.

everyone needed to be dressed in special robes. where do you think they got their wedding garments? esp. the beggars?
who is the man without the right clothes?

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I'm going to take a wild guess and suggest that my point zoomed right over your head. All unrighteousness is sin, in fact, anything we do that is less than perfect is sin. Also, not doing what you know to be right is also a sin. I merely admit to being a human, or, in other words a sinner saved by grace.

We often, including you, find ourselves doing things that we know we shouldn't but we do them any way because they please us. And we do them until God corrects us with His chastisement. It may be that we suddenly find that heaven is silent to us and we know that we have broken fellowship with God. We decide that it is much better to walk with Him than against Him.

I trust that you are not interpreting my 'enjoyment' of sin as something heinous like adultery, drunkenness or some other gross sin. I'm using more of watching television programs that do not please God, but I get a kick out of them . . . for a season.

Does that clear things up for you, my judge?

I Know HIM intimately, personally, and HE has saved me FOREVER. I KNOW THAT WITH MY WHOLE BEING.

Hi Mailmandan, wonderful post and praise God for helping you find the "Truth" and the courage to act upon that truth. My dads family were mostly Roman Catholic, but I was "born again" and raised in a non-denomination conservative evangelical Church. I have 2 cousins that left the RCC....

I have nothing to say to you.
Your attitude is not very Christianly.

Amen! John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a personal relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

I have nothing to say to you.
Your attitude is not very Christianly.

So, in your view 'castaway' can only mean lost salvation and an eternity in hell? Not possible a man making shipwreck of his life whereby he is unable to serve God due to a personal failing. I know a few men called to preach that are no longer in the ministry because they failed to keep their body under subjection . . . yet they still love and serve the Lord in other capacities.

You have a serious case of tunnel vision.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness? And if you are, are you ashamed to admit it? Perhaps you fear what men might do to your membership here?

No, I am not affiliated with any religious franchise. As I have come to learn, there isn't a nickels difference between the JW and the Baptists, AOG, Mormons, Catholics, SDA, they are all the same.

No, I am not affiliated with any religious franchise. As I have come to learn, there isn't a nickels difference between the JW and the Baptists, AOG, Mormons, Catholics, SDA, they are all the same.

There is a difference between a man falling in sin, and belonging to a religion which promotes traditions that transgress the Commandments of God. My Savior, the Word of God which became Flesh, Wrote down for me, in His Tender Mercy, what tactics the deceiver would use to draw me to it and away from the God of the Bible. Keep in mind that we are told it will disguise itself as a "minister of righteousness", and an "Apostle of Christ". In other words, it will hide in religion.

Gen. 3:
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Notice the first thing the serpent did here. It used God's Word to solicit a conversation with Eve. It didn't use "ALL" of God's word, because doing that would expose it and it's agenda. No, it just used a few Words of God to start the deceiving process. This is very important in understanding this example of deceit.

"2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

Notice that Eve knew the Commandment, the full commandment. Like the Christ said, don't commit adultery, don't even think about another woman. Don't murder, don't even hate your brother. Don't eat of the one tree in the midst, don't even touch it. She knew the commandment.

"4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"

After the serpent got her attention using God's Word, the first thing it convinced Eve of is that she was already immortal. Already saved, already there. So even though God said basically "The wages of sin is death", satan convinced her God was not being honest with her, that He was misleading her, that she was already saved regardless of what the Word of God said.

"5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (reject the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Next the serpent convinced Eve that God's Instructions were against her. That they were keeping her Blind, in prison, burdened, That God didn't really have her best interest at heart and that if she really wanted to be "Free" and "SEE" she should reject God's commandment and listen to "Another voice".

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

So the woman (bride, wife, church) was convinced to reject God's instructions and chose to guide her own footsteps.

I believe this "religion" is the one that influenced the congregation of the Lord to stone Caleb, influenced Cain to slaw Abel, and it continued through the centuries and influenced men, who claimed the God of Abraham as their God to murder the Prophets, then their own Messiah, and some of the Apostles.

And now it has grown so large that no one is immune from it's influence. It created images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model that is known planet wide as the "Christian" God, even though such a "work" is strictly forbidden by the Word of God which became Flesh. It has created man made High Days in worship to this god that are nothing more than Pagan celebrations which religious men have placed the name of Christ on. And these celebration are observed by almost the entire planet, while the Feasts of the Lord, that He created for men, are rejected, neglected and omitted from their religion.

This has all been prophesied many times. Religious men have just been convinced that much of God's Word is not true.

Jer. 5:
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

I believe the Bible when it says to put on the Whole Armor of God to withstand the "wiles of the devil".

This Armor was given us by the Christ, and in fact worn by Him as a man on this earth. The important thing is "doing" what HE instructs and the serpent will try and convince you not to. Just remember what the Christ told us.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God. This is how we "rightly divide the Word of God". But the religions of the land will ridicule and insult and try to Label anyone who follows these instructions.

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And where is the Will of God shown? In the Old Testament which the religions of the land teach is obsolute. Listen to the Christ though, He knew all this was coming.

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, (Which show the Will of God) neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

It's all there for us, we just need to have Faith, not in the other voice, or religions of the land, but in Every Word of God.

But be of good courage "He that endures to the end SHALL BE SAVED".

This is my hope.

that seems really ill-defined.
do you mean you have to make yourself 'good enough' to receive Him?

in the parable of the wedding feast, where the poor and the lame and the crippled were invited, and everyone going by on the road, someone was thrown out because they weren't dressed in the right clothes. it was evidently important not to be wearing just anything - not like a 'come as you are' party in the common parlance.

everyone needed to be dressed in special robes. where do you think they got their wedding garments? esp. the beggars?
who is the man without the right clothes?

Thank you brother! It truly amazes how certain works-salvationists can read the words of Jesus, "I NEVER knew you" in Matthew 7:23 and still claim these many people in Matthew 7:22 were "genuine believers," yet their works of iniquity caused them to lose their salvation and yet other works-salvationists of the Hebrew Roots persuasion will point out that these many people in Matthew 7:22 were doing "all the wrong works" yet the implication is that they themselves will be saved because they are doing "all the right works."

Such people do not get the heart of the issue, namely, these many people were NOT GENUINE BELIEVERS regardless of how many works they set out to accomplish in a vain effort to obtain eternal life. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him (which only genuine believers have) and not merely theoretical knowledge, which unbelievers have.

So you do not go to Church ? ? ?

So How are you obedient to the "ONE ANOTHER"s in the BIBLE ? ? ? Look up the phrase.

How are you Obedient to these verses:

Ephesians 4:11-14 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, ⌊growing⌋ into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.
14 Then we will no longer be little children, tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching, by human cunning with cleverness in the techniques of deceit.


Therefore you DID NOT LEARN the Difference between the Churches and so-called Churches.

And you did not Learn about the Deity of Christ.

How much else did you NOT LEARN?

So you do not go to Church ? ? ?

So How are you obedient to the "ONE ANOTHER"s in the BIBLE ? ? ? Look up the phrase.

How are you Obedient to these verses:

Ephesians 4:11-14 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, ⌊growing⌋ into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.
14 Then we will no longer be little children, tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching, by human cunning with cleverness in the techniques of deceit.


Therefore you DID NOT LEARN the Difference between the Churches and so-called Churches.

And you did not Learn about the Deity of Christ.

How much else did you NOT LEARN?

In regards to Matthew 7:21-23, I'll never forget, prior to my conversion several years ago, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I read Matthew 7:22 and thought to myself, wow! These many people accomplished all of that, "prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works" but that still was not "good enough?" Then I thought to myself at that time, how am I going to "top that" and be "good enough?" Such is the mindset of someone who believes that salvation is based on works.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. Religious, but not right with God. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people in Matthew 7:22 were not true converts.

Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! Descriptive of the lost.

watch, he will pull out the " you have no need of anyone to teach you " card.

I have a cousin that is the same way. no church, won't listen to anything anyone tells him about Scripture.

he doesn't know what he is talking about either.

Salvation is not based on works. You cannot do enough good works to make your way into heaven.
But, If you are a true believer you will be engaged in the work of the Lord, agreed?

Thank you brother! It truly amazes how certain works-salvationists can read the words of Jesus, "I NEVER knew you" in Matthew 7:23 and still claim these many people in Matthew 7:22 were "genuine believers," yet their works of iniquity caused them to lose their salvation and yet other works-salvationists of the Hebrew Roots persuasion will point out that these many people in Matthew 7:22 were doing "all the wrong works" yet the implication is that they themselves will be saved because they are doing "all the right works."

Such people do not get the heart of the issue, namely, these many people were "NOT GENUINE BELIEVERS" regardless of how many works they set out to accomplish in a vain effort to obtain eternal life. John 17:3 -"And this is eternal life, that they may know You", the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him (which only genuine believers have) and not merely theoretical knowledge, which unbelievers have.