Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end

Will human procreation here on earth always continue? How can God's Kingdom keep increasing if there's going to be a finite number of people entering into it? And as an aside, What about pregnant women who are Christians and who are alive when Jesus Christ returns? Will they go on to give birth once they receive their glorified bodies?

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Hi Plcarver, John 3:30 comes to mind.

When all is said and done, the battles have been fought and won and Jesus Christ is fully established as Lord of lords and King of kings . . . in eternity future, I believe that He will continue to populate worlds in the solar system.

Now DO NOT accuse me of spewing Mormon junk . . . that is entirely different . . . the idea that a faithful few will become gods and get their own planet to rule.

But at the same time, we do not need to allow some rotten cult to steal what is true in the Word of God.

"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this" (Isaiah 9:7).

When eternity future begins we that know the Lord are not going to retire to our heavenly rocking chairs where we will sit and maybe knit caftans for the rest of eternity does not sound much better than what those other guys are going through in the pits, except maybe for the everlasting torments.

Of course there will always be procreation - the world does not end - all future generations of believers will give glory to Him.

Eph 3:21 to Him is the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.

your aside is actually a predestination vs. free will question. if the time of His coming prevents a yet-to-be-born person from hearing and believing the gospel ((i.e. salvation is determined by man's free choice)) we hold a position that makes Him unjust. if however He comes at the time when the fullness of those who are His own have received Him ((i.e. salvation is by His sovereign predestination)) we hold a position that maintains His justice and provides an explanation ((though not a time, as the trigger point remains unknown to all but God)) for why the time of His choosing is exactly the time He has determined.




***places lid to can of worms in recycling bin***

binary code is made up entirely of two elements, {1, 0}

there are an infinite number of possible binary strings:

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as i'm writing these down, the size of the set of examples keeps increasing. i could go on infinitely listing examples of binary strings, and the increase of the size of the set of examples would have no end. all the while i have a finite set of 'building blocks' - just two, {1,0}



food for thought

no marrying or giving in marriage in the resurrection -- but like the angels ((Matt. 22:30)). do angels reproduce? not that we will be angels, and we're all well aware that procreation is possible outside marriage, but how 'like the angels' is 'like the angels' ? i've never even considered whether there is procreation in eternity before. interesting

but is 'forever and ever / to the age of the ages' with reference to eternally procreating mankind or to the glory which is from everlasting to everlasting belonging to Him?

In eternity future there will be no sin . . . it will have been totally eradicated. Had Adam not fallen in the garden all of his offspring would have been born entirely free of sin and would have no need of redemption. Likewise those that are born in eternity future.

Bones, I understand Paul as saying "in the churches/assemblies" will be the praise/glory of Him throughout all generations with out end:

NASB - to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.

I said children born will be born without sin . . . I did not say there will be no births. The first concern should be having a solid assurance of salvation to make certain that you (generic) even get there.

There is NO NEED for the giving and taking of wives for we all live forever…..No fornication in the Kingdom to come...………..read all about fornication, even within the auspices of marriage……….

Know our Maker.

I guess we'll just have to see what NEW arrangements God comes up in the NEW heaven and the NEW earth. m'kay?

I doubt that God appreciates you dictating how He is going to run the show in eternity.

An d what are you doing with me right now? Source Authority is not you, it is Jesus Christ, and I was paraphrasing Him.

I would not declare on the thousand years but I will repeat the words of Jesus.

Maybe we will have gardens where we just grow babies?

Eternity is going to last billions upon billions of years. Do you think God was interested in giving us a Bible that discusses that time before it even matters?

You can quote God's Word for the present time, and you can touch lightly on eternity which is explained in a small portion of Revelation--but you can not discuss it in any depth.

I'm speculating, sure, I admit that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But at this point, no one can speak authoritatively on what is going to happen beyond that which we have been told.

But I do believe that marital relationships are dealt with differently in the Church than they are in Judaism. Beyond that I can't explain, though Ephesians 5 is a far cry from Matthew 22.

Have you ever read "what is now called time?"

Lol... who knows. Bible does not give us technical details of the transformation.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

This earth, and heaven, the things created in the air above us, will not continue on forever for they are associated with sin and rebellion and must pass away, and the new earth, and heaven, is a place where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and sin and rebellion will never come up again, for the choice is gone between good and evil, and it is only good, and out of all that the saints did on earth only charity, love in action, will continue on forever, which is why out of faith, hope, and charity, charity is the greatest, for faith, and hope, are not needed in heaven because the saints are there.

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem to battle, and anybody that burdens themselves with Jerusalem shall be cut in pieces although the whole earth is against her, and the LORD shall go forth and fight against those nations as He did in the day of battle.

God is going to allow all people that do not love Him to follow beast kingdom in Revelation, and when they take the mark of the beast which has to do with technology, which will probably be the microchip linked to satellite, as they try to reduce crime on earth, and believe in no personal God, then God will end this sin business on earth.

When the saints are off the earth the world will attack Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus will come back with the saints, and defeat the world, and save Israel, and Jesus and the saints shall rule for 1000 years over one sixth of the world who will be in the flesh, and the kingdom on earth restored to the Jews, which God said He will make a full end of the Gentile governments, and their rulership, but not make a full end of Israel.

After the 1000 years is over then this heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints in glorified bodies will be at the new heaven and earth, which there is no gender between the saints anymore, and the angels and saints will always feel like they have been there and nowhere else for the former heaven and earth shall not be remembered, nor come to mind.

Jesus said until heaven and earth pass away not one tittle or jot shall pass from the law until all is fulfilled, which Jesus was a sinless man, and fulfilled all the roles of Israel concerning King, Prophet, Saint, High Priest, and was the temple and sacrifice.

But He has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth yet for He came as a humble servant, and will fulfill that role in the future when He rules the earth for a thousand years, and when He fulfills that role then the law is fulfilled on earth, and heaven and earth shall pass away.

Some people say the thousand years is spiritual, but how is Jesus ruling if the heathen are still sinning, and not acknowledging Jesus, and Jesus has been ruling ever since He ascended to heaven which is more than a thousand years, but He is not ruling by putting the world down, and sparing some of them yet.

And when He rules the Bible says the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name one, which nobody will recognize any god, or religious figure, but only Jesus, which has not happened yet.