The Adamic Problem

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posthuman

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Endoscopy said:
Stupid answer. Most sites time limit is getting into the post. Then allowing the person to accurately fix the post. This site has the shortest time limit. Thus instead of fixing the post additional posts are required!! Thus adding confusion.
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some sites have no edit window at all.
some sites allow editing without limit; you could go change what you said 8 years ago.

suppose you were arguing with someone, and they say, 'but you said _____' - and they were right, _____ was wrong for you to say. a dishonest person could go change what they said, and then say, 'no i didn't, go check the post'
i believe that's partly what a short edit window is meant to curtail. because if someone goes back later and reads through a thread that's been edited after other replies are posted, it can become confusing, with people replying to things that no longer exist.
the other thing, is that it encourages us to think about what we're writing before we press the 'post' button, instead of afterwards

i know this 5-min-rule has bothered you for a long time, but i really don't think the site admins are ever going to change it.
whatever case you plead, the answer is going to be, proofread your replies before you post them.
 
posthuman

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o that's great, i put a smile on your face!

yay :D

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but how about you? what do you think?

if God desires all men to be saved why does omnipotent God fail to achieve this desire?
do you believe in universal salvation? i can destroy that idea in 3 seconds
 
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posthuman said:
o that's great, i put a smile on your face!

yay :D



but how about you? what do you think?

if God desires all men to be saved why does omnipotent God fail to achieve this desire?
do you believe in universal salvation? i can destroy that idea in 3 seconds
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3 secs...

Go...
 
Locutus

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My dog's a firm believer in universal salivation.
 
BaptistBibleBeliever

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posthuman said:
o that's great, i put a smile on your face!

yay :D



but how about you? what do you think?

if God desires all men to be saved why does omnipotent God fail to achieve this desire?
do you believe in universal salvation? i can destroy that idea in 3 seconds
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Because your definition of omnipotent is incorrect. Sure God is all-powerful, but He will not force a man to receive Christ that doesn't want to.

I do not believe in 'universalism' but you cannot disprove an 'universal call.'

Tell me something . . . how do you know that you are one of the elect?
 
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Romans 5:13
"For sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged ("ellogeō" ,
Strongs Greek: G1677, Greek: G1824) where there is no law."

If there is no law, there are no sinners.
 
posthuman

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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Because your definition of omnipotent is incorrect. Sure God is all-powerful, but He will not force a man to receive Christ that doesn't want to.
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i don't see how your objection or proposed explanation has anything to do with the definition of omnipotence.
if before He saved me, i was an enemy and hater of God, incapable of understanding spiritual things, with every desire of my heart being only evil continually, alienated from Him and hostile to Him in thoughts and deeds, having willfully exchanged the truth for a lie, how did i come to know Him and desire Him and love Him and believe Him? i couldn't even see the kingdom of God without being born again -- how did i desire what i hated? i must have been insane!

BaptistBibleBeliever said:
I do not believe in 'universalism'
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hooray!

BaptistBibleBeliever said:
but you cannot disprove an 'universal call.'
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why would i?

BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Tell me something . . . how do you know that you are one of the elect?
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By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. ​
(1 John 4:13) ​
 
posthuman

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Lillywolf said:
Romans 5:13
"For sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged ("ellogeō" ,
Strongs Greek: G1677, Greek: G1824) where there is no law."

If there is no law, there are no sinners.
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eh, this actually says sin was in the world before the law, so . . where exactly in the world was it?
 
Endoscopy

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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Calvinism has no biblical logic whatsoever . . . or should I say, it is built upon the rational thinking of man apart from God's thinking. It is designed by the wise man

How dare a capricious god command a man to keep a law and then crush him because he is unable. But our God is a loving God Who provided Himself to make atonement for sinful man.

"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power" (I Corinthians 2:4).

God used Paul through the power of the Holy Spirit to evangelize much of Asia Minor and to build churches to the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Calvinist may not suggest that his ways and his thoughts are not equal with God's, but they prove by their actions and teachings that they are at least equal with His thoughts and clearly understand His ways.

People are still being saved today because of the witness of a family member or even a complete stranger. People are being saved because foolish and base men of this world are willing to deliver the message of love and forgiveness to his sinful neighbor.

You can bet there are Calvinists the world over that are shaking their heads over some people that get saved. "I didn't think that cad had a chance, how is he elected?' They are so pitiful and confounded.

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty" (I Corinthians 1:27).
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You are wrong. Both Calvinism and Armenianism have a site where they defend their 5 points with lengthy statements with a lot of scripture annotating it. Keep in mind that according to the early elders the creeds define what a Christian must believe. Anything opposed is heresy and any Biblical issue not included is to agree to disagree. Calvinism and Armenianism are outside of the creeds so they are agree to disagree. Reading the following links gives each a Biblical Defense. Calvinism is defended by the Canon of Dort.

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
 
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posthuman said:
By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. ​
(1 John 4:13) ​
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Really? How do you know that it isn't just wishful thinking on your part? Did God tell you . . . I elect you above the millions that don't stand a snowballs chance in hell?

I believe that God's Spirit bears witness with my spirit that I am a child of God, yet I totally reject your capricious god that elects souls to reprobation.

Tell me, why would God elect me even though He knew I would reject the heresy called Calvinism? Rather incongruous, don't you think?
 
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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Really? How do you know that it isn't just wishful thinking on your part? Did God tell you . . . I elect you above the millions that don't stand a snowballs chance in hell?

I believe that God's Spirit bears witness with my spirit that I am a child of God, yet I totally reject your capricious god that elects souls to reprobation.

Tell me, why would God elect me even though He knew I would reject the heresy called Calvinism? Rather incongruous, don't you think?
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Who says you're even elect? According to you, you elected yourself, not God. That's not biblical election, something you loathe and deny so you made up your own version.

Amazes me people think they're Christian when they're hostile towards God, His Word, His ways.
 
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trofimus said:
Another example of how literalism fails :)
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Literal is the best way to read the Bible. Otherwise everyone comes up with their own meaning and stories and allegories to everything. Literalism ALLOWS for metaphors and symbols, they are clearly laid out and interpreted for us, like the parables of Jesus, and the stars being interpreted as angels in the book of Revelation.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Amazes me people think they're Christian when they're hostile towards God, His Word, His ways.
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You are calling him hostile towards God. While really he just isnt a fan of calvinism.

Are you one of those that believe only calvinists are elect? Atleast thats a respectable and consistent position. Often times calvinists say arminians can be elect too, but its ODD that God would give these people faith and repentance but give them FALSE DOCTRINES like free-will to believe in? HUH? aint it? Yes it is
Another nail to the coffin of calvinism.
 
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