Not By Works

="BillG, post: 3784380, member: 252071"]Jesus would.

Matthew 7:21-23

I Never Knew You
(Luke 6:46; 13:26, 27)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

After all the above did do the things that Jesus commanded them to do and more.

Billy,

Everyone ever born does "something" God has commanded at some point. It's not the "lawful" things these folks did that Jesus sited as the reason He didn't know them, it was the "Lawless" things they practiced.

I think you are "omitting" some important facts about this scripture.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

What is "That Day" and why are these folks defending their religion in it?

"That Day" is the "Last Great Day" when all who have not been raised in the first resurrection with Abraham, are raised and judged.

Their eyes are opened, they see the lake of fire and realize what has happened and their impending fate. That is the time they will plead with the Christ and defend their religious lifestyle.

Not before that day. Before "That Day, before they died, Jesus says for them to "Repent", deny yourself (leave your practice of lawlessness) and Follow Him. He offers those who "Love Him and Keep His Commandments" Mercy. But that time is passed in this Example He gives us.

On this Day He is speaking of, there is no mercy offered, even though these folks clearly claimed to know Him and clearly claimed "belief" in Him.

On "THAT DAY" there is no offer of His Grace, even though these Folks gave Jesus all the credit for all the "good" works they did, even though they "believed" in Him..

On this day there is no instruction to repent, the window of repentance is closed. (As David in the Spirit says "Today" if you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts)

In the defense of their religion which called Him Lord, Lord, they are only telling you those things they did that were not lawless. Folks who spend their time defending their religion rarely confess to those things they do which are lawless. (breaking His Sabbath, creating images of God, following man made traditions while rejecting God's instructions, etc.)

So your attempt to use this scriptures and say that Jesus rejected these "Christians" because they were following His Commandments is not only a horrible thing to imply, but is also about as false as a person can be.

This would be you saving yourself. And not God saving you.

The law could not save anyone, Why do you think your works could save you? Just asking..

Man's Works can not save. The Word of God saves as my Savior declares.


John 6:
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? (Creating All things including His Commandments)
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

In your religion, are these not from the Word of God which became Flesh? Are these not Christ's Words. Shall I trust a religion which promotes "Disbelief" in the Christ who spoke these Word's?

Read it again.

I did not say they were rejected because they were following his command's.
Why do you make such stuff up?
They were rejected because he never knew them.

Find any post where I have said where any genuine believer who follows Jesus and wants to be be like him will be rejected.
They won't because he knows them.

You are quite slanderous above.

well, since you think Jesus was just a man, you can't even say you called Him Lord.

so, your punishment will be just. blasphemy is a horrible offence . you should accept the LORD Jesus Christ as your savior.

your " the Christ " can't save anyone. the real Jesus can.

You definitely did not say he wasnt or provethatHS is a Being. HS overshadowed Mary and she conceived! this is disgusting ! I am fixing to watch Cowboys and Saints!

So your attempt to use this scriptures and say that Jesus rejected these "Christians" because they were following His Commandments is not only a horrible thing to imply, but is also about as false as a person can be.

Now wait a minute there Billy. You replied to a question.

"So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?"

To which you responded.

"Jesus would."

Then you went about using Matthew 7 as support for your preaching that Jesus "would say" that obedience has no bearing on salvation because those in Matt. 7 were obeying and Jesus still rejected them.

"After all the above did do the things that Jesus commanded them to do and more."

Why are you now back peddling, trying to deny what you said, and worse, calling me slanderous for simply pointing it out?

There is no intellectually honest person that can read the Word of God and come away preaching "Obedience to God has no bearing in Salvation".

Are you really trying to preach to any one who would listen to you, that Jesus said, taught, or instructed His People that obedience to His Father has absolutely zero bearing in Salvation?

Come on Billy, even you must see the deception in this teaching.

I've seen your Jesus G9. All handsome, manicured fingers, perfect long flowing hair. Born on Dec. 25th. He has no Sabbath, no Holy Days, has do definition of sin accept to worship the invisible Christ of the Bible.

As I have said, you are free to create your own god if you like. I'm sticking with the Word of God which became Flesh in the person of Jesus, the perfect human who died and has risen and returned where He was before.

You can't help your hatred, I don't hold it against you because I know, like Cain, it wasn't Able that he hated, but the Christ that was in him.

Yes and what did I quote from Matthew.
They were rejected because he never knew them even though they boast in great works.

But you decided to overlook that as you do with everyone with a view to pushing what you do because you are right and everyone else is wrong.

You say you wish to discuss.
Rubbish you wish to push and put others down.

The one thing with the others who agree with your theology is that they are not as rude and slanderous and accusatory as you are and willing to discuss.

what I hate is those who call the Lord and Savior of the world a liar.

which you do, because Jesus said that he had the authority to forgive sins.

Jesus could know other's thoughts.

Jesus said " destroy this temple and I will raise it again in 3 days '

if you were to believe these, and their are many more, things, then you would have to call Jesus fully human and fully Devine.

but, since you do not think Jesus is fully Devine, then you are saying that He could not do these things, thereby calling Him a liar.

that makes you a blasphemer.

It is you who used Matt. 7 to promote the falsehood "Jesus would say" obedience to God has no bearing in Salvation. When Jesus Himself told you flat out just the opposite.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Your teaching is just another in the long line of modern church doctrines that the Word of God exposes as false.

Your anger at me for letting God's Word expose these doctrines is as natural as anger itself. Jesus said it would be like this. I don't hold your anger against you.

My hope is that maybe someday you might soften your heart and believe God's Word over the religious doctrines and traditions of the religions of the world. But unless a person "believes" in the Word of God which became Flesh, they will not be persuaded. As it is written;

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Anger, deflection, miss-direction, none of these things will change the Biblical Fact that Jesus NEVER said, NEVER implied, NEVER Taught that "Obedience to God has no bearing in Salvation".

Your unbelief does not make the Word of God Void.

I know what the "ministers of righteousness" teach today G9. But I believe in the Word of God which became Flesh.

Who did Jesus say gave Him Authority to forgive sins? Whose doctrines did Jesus teach? Who gave Him Commandment?

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I know you can't help your hatred of those who expose your religious traditions which transgress God's Commandments.

I don't hold your anger against you.

Your anger at me for letting God's Word expose these doctrines is as natural as anger itself. Jesus said it would be like this. I don't hold your anger against you.

Do what?

The Anointing of the spirit gives us knowledge, As the Holy Spirit is poured out on us and he opens our minds to Gods truth. Baptism and laying on of hands has nothign to do with this.

EG do you have a Bible? DO YOU EVER READ IT AT ALL? The NT is full of babtism and also the laying on of hands/ How can you deny this one?

Do what?

The Anointing of the spirit gives us knowledge, As the Holy Spirit is poured out on us and he opens our minds to Gods truth. Baptism and laying on of hands has nothign to do with this.

Come on.
Of course he has a Bible.
The same one as you.
And reads it.

He reads commentary as you probably do along with Bible study notes.

There was no need for what you said