IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

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The Pre-Tribulation View
The Rapture is characterized in the New Testament as a "translation coming" (1 Corinthians 15:51- 52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) in which the Lord comes for His church, taking her to His Father's House (John 14:3). However, at Christ's Second Coming with His saints, He descends from heaven to set up His Messianic Kingdom on earth (Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:27-31). The differences between the two events are harmonized naturally by the "pre-trib" position, while other views are not able to ac count comfortably for such differences.

A New Testament Mystery

Paul speaks of the Rapture as a "mystery" (1 Corinthians 15:51-54), that is, a truth not revealed until its disclosure by the apostles (Colossians 1:26). The Second Coming, on the other hand, was predicted in the Old Testament (Daniel 12:1-3; Zechariah 12:10; 14:4). In fact, the oldest prophecy uttered by a prophet was given before the flood of Noah and was of the Second Coming! It was given by Enoch, quoted in Jude 14-15.

The movement of the believer at the Rapture is from earth to heaven; at the Second Coming it is from heaven to earth. At the Rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), while at the Second Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thessalonians 3:13).

Post-tribulation Problems

One of the strengths of the pre-trib view is that it is better able to harmonize the many events of end-time prophecy because of the above distinctions. There are some awkward difficulties with the post-tribulational view:

1) The post-tribulation view requires that the church be present during the 70th week of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27), even though it was absent from the first 69. This is in spite of the fact that Dan 9:24 indicates that all 70 weeks are for Israel. We believe the church must depart prior to the 70th week, before the final seven-year period (see our briefing package, Daniel's 70 Weeks, for further study).

2) The post-tribulation view denies the New Testament teaching of imminency--that Christ could come at any moment--since there are intervening events required in that view. We believe there are no signs that must precede the Rapture.

3) The post-tribulation view has difficulties with who will populate the Millennium4 if the Rapture and the Second Coming occur at essentially the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the Rapture and all unbelievers are judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's Kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the Millennium.

4) Similarly, post-tribulationism is not able to explain the sheep and goats judgment after the Second Coming in Matthew 25:3- 46. Where would the believers in mortal bodies come from if they are raptured at the Second Coming? Who would be able to enter into Christ's Kingdom?

5) The Bride of Christ, the church, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth (Revelation 19:7-8, 14) before the Second Coming, but how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on the earth awaiting the Second Coming? If the Rapture of the church takes place at the Second Coming, then how does the Bride (the church) also come with Christ at His Return?

You left out the mid trib version.

He told them to build it.

Yes....quick copy and paste. Not comprehensive.

The holy place is where the Lambs blood was shed..... get it the Lambs blood.

Once a year, on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, the high priest was permitted to enter the small, windowless enclosure to burn incense and sprinkle the blood of a sacrificial animal on the mercy seat of the Ark.

The holy place spoken of in this discussion is inside the temple where the holy of holies is. That is where the holy place of the abomination of desolation is to take place. One concept is the antichrist will enter there and proclaim himself God.

The holy place is where the Lambs blood was shed..... get it the Lambs blood.

Once a year, on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, the high priest was permitted to enter the small, windowless enclosure to burn incense and sprinkle the blood of a sacrificial animal on the mercy seat of the Ark.

That’s s fairy tale Endo, couldn’t be farther from the truth.

We know for a fact that the Jews rejecting and killing Christ was the abomination that left them desolate.

Go take a long walk on a short pier. I don't like e. being called a liar!!!

The abomination of desolation is part of Revelation written after Jesus was crucified. Most likely the last book written. Get your facts straight before putting your foot in your mouth!!

The holy place spoken of in this discussion is inside the temple where the holy of holies is. That is where the holy place of the abomination of desolation is to take place. One concept is the antichrist will enter there and proclaim himself God.

That temporal holy place is used represent as shadow of the actual holy unseen place, the eternal not seen .

Blood as that seen the temporal is used as a metaphor in various parables. While the life of the flesh is in the blood that life is spiritual essence of life , The mercy seat as that seen is also set aside as holy to represent the unseen mercy of God.

They are not the Holy place but again point to it

God is not a man as us and neither is there a daysman (fleshly mediator) set between God not seen and man seen.

What you offered represents a ceremonial law as shadow used in ceremonies that speak of the suffering of Christ beforehand of the good things to come. Preaching the gospel. The eternal substance is found in Christ, not seen. We walk by faith and not by sight.

I’m not calling you a liar I’m just saying that what you said is not right not even remotely close. I think I’ll pass on the pier walk thank you. 😉

Refute it instead of claiming it as false. That is the proper method instead of claiming something false and in essence claiming the person to be a false speaker aka liar.

MIght want to consider just when THAT was written......like maybe 40 years before it happened.....so of course it was to "come to pass" eventually.......like 40 years later

IF there were a Rapture at the START of a 7-year tribulation period, then we would be able to calculate the exact date of Jesus's return and appearance in glory to earth, wouldn't we, i.e., 7 years after the date of the Rapture.

But the Bible says that no man knows the hour and even Jesus said that on THAT MATTER ONLY the Father knows the hour and day of Jesus's return.

Mark 13:32-33
But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.Take you heed, watch and pray: FOR YOU KNOW NOT WHEN THE TIME IS.

Therefore there can be NO Rapture at the start of a 7-year tribulation period because we would know how to calculate the day of His return 7 years later.

YehovaYeshua

What do you do w/Mt 24;21 '...there will b great trib, unmatched and not to b seen again..'. Are you saying that was the worst it is going to get?

Amazing how we are 2000 years after the end came and went in 70 A.D. like the court jesters believe!

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

When Christ came he fulfilled all of the above. There is no such thing as a physical "holy place" any more.