Calvinism vs. Arminianism?

Men are not born natural men, they are just lost sinners once they reach the age of accountability. From that moment until they are saved they can hear the Gospel and respond to it. But, on the other hand, if they reject the Gospel they begin a hardening process. As they continue to suppress the truth and push it away from them (Romans 1:18ff) they harden to the point where they become the man that sees the Bible as foolishness as he embraces evolution and worships the creature more than Creator.

What is your interpretation of ‘sozo’, my friend?

There is no such thing as age of accountability, that is a man made idea.

Yea, it was Paul's idea . . .

"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died" (Romans 7:9).

I believe he got it from God . . .

Well stated my friend.

And wonder of wonders.........the usual creepy nitpickers did not even catch the fact that I gave Micah in error
Should be Malachi 1.

I believe it came out of the Roman Catholic religion.

Truth come to God's people by the Holy Spirit through scripture.
No Spirit, no truth.
They do not receive the things of God because those things are spiritually apprised.


George Whitefield said, "We are all born Arminians." It is grace that turns us into Calvinists”

What about Jesusism? Is that a word?

There is no such term, as you probably know already.

Oh shame, but ia thought Jesus was the only name by which we are saved, not calvin or armin, I dont even know those people.

God chooses both corporately and individually.
Man is free to believe.
The whole world is propitiated.
Only those who believe have eternal life.

The truth is in between Calvin and Arminius.

Wrong my friend. God chose each person, each of His sheep individually.(Romans 8:28ff)
Man is dead in sins.(Ephesians 2:1) Man is a slave to sin.(Matthew 6:24, Romans 6:6, 6:17, Romans 8:2) Only Jesus can make one free to believe.(John 8:31ff)
Wrong again my friend. God was the One propitiated, as He was the One who was offended.
Who are those who believe?(John 6:29)
FIFY.

I don't know how you missed the Thayer's explanation. (2889; 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort a) The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews [Romans 11:12, etc. a) used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19. Believing in the things of the Spirit comes only after a person has been born again (Eph 2) and has been given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Ezk 11:19).

The natural man, before he has been born again, cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks they are foolishness (1 Cor 2:14).

If you look up the Greek interpretation of "saved", Strong's; 4982, to save, ie, DELIVER, or protect

There is an eternal deliverance, and there are deliverances that God's children receive as they sojourn here in this world. 1 Tim 2:4 is an example of a timely deliverance, and has no reference to an eternal deliverance. When a born again child of God comes unto an understanding of the knowledge of the truth, there is a deliverance (here in time, not eternal) from their ignorance of that knowledge.
I can give you Strong's interpretation; 4982 sozo (contraction for obsolete saoz "safe"). to save, i.e, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively).

Deut 30:19, does not have reference to "eternal life", but it has reference to that good and abundant life that we can live here on earth by choosing to follow God's commandments. The natural man, void of the Holy Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14, cannot choose anything that is of a spiritual nature, because he cannot discern it, and thinks it is foolishness. He will not choose eternal life until after he has been regenerated, Eph 2.

In Dan 4:35, it states that God does "according to his will" among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand. If it was God's will to save all of mankind then he would save all of mankind, and scriptures tell us that all of mankind will not be saved.

1 Tim 2:4; All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the truth of the doctrine that Jesus taught. The "all men" has reference to "all the men that God gave to Jesus". 1 Tim 2:4 harmonizes with John 17:2 "As thou hast given him (Jesus) power over all flesh (all of mankind), that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."

Saved, in 1 Tim 2:4, is translated in Greek to mean "delivered". There is a deliverance (here in time, not eternal) when babes in Christ 'come unto the knowledge of the truth that Jesus taught

Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

2 Peter 3:9; In order to keep this verse in context, we have to go back to 2 Peter 1, which says that Peter is talking to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of our Saviour Jesus Christ. Peter even includes himself in his exhortation by using the word "us-ward". After we are born again, we do still, at times, yield ourselves to the lust of this world, which makes us "dead" to God's fellowship, until we repent, and God takes us back into his fellowship. The "any" and "all" in this verse has the same reference as the "all men" in 1 Tim 2:4. and the "as many as" in John 17:

If the scriptures do not harmonize, then we are not interpreting them in the right way.

Your last statement does not harmonize with 1 Cor 2:14.

shrume said:
I am fully aware 1 Cor 2:14 is in the Bible, Forest, and I am also fully aware of how you mangle 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9; Eph 1:13; Eze 33:11; and others to make them fit Calvinism.

First thing first.

Make them fit? How would you do that? Does not God make it fit? Or is that a choice to whatever a person choses to believe .That way a person some can be their own Captain of salvation?

How do you manage Romans 3:10-11 if you have zero faith needed to begin with ? If some do not believe (no faith) will there unbelief make the work of Christ faith without effect.?

Did you understand God before you read scripture or did he have to work in you to both will and do his good pleasure so you could understanding. first and foremost. Can't offer dead faith towards Him


Romans 3: 10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.



Well if natural man is dead and has no faith ,whwere does he get the faith to understanding in oreder that he might seek sieing no one of thier own volition can unless God gives the ears to understand.

The age of accountability is a man made doctrine, Can you give me a scripture that proves otherwise?

Romans 1:18 has reference to people that knew God, verse 21. The natural man cannot know a spiritual God, until he has been born with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, according to 1 Cor 2:14. The people that know God are without excuse when they fail to see and acknowledge God's creation. The natural man does not believe that a spiritual God created this world, he believes it evolved.

Believing is a work .We are not saved by any work we can do But rather are saved by Christ's work of faith . He owns all faith and measures out a little every time we do not harden our hearts in unbelief (no faith).