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Star, the verse you quote renders the Greek verb believe in the continuous present tense. This means that the more accurate rendering of the passage is: That whosoever is continuously believing in Him should not perish (aor., once for all), but be having everlasting life. We stand or fail on our faith but in scripture we see dead faith, lost faith, shipwrecked faith, compromised faith, and faith moved to something else (our works for example). The Holy Spirit is there to help us thank God. God Bless

Sorry but faith is what leads us to that FREE gift of grace and salvation and mercy from God Almighty. There are plenty of verses in His Word which thoroughly explain that we have salvation through our faith in God and that's about as simple as it gets.
 

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Yes, make sure you follow the example set by the Mainstream Preachers of His time.

#1. Choose your religious tradition over the Word's of the Christ whenever there is contradiction .

#2. Do not answer questions posed which bring your religious doctrines into question.

#3. Work to discredit anyone who would dare question your religious traditions which transgress the Holy Commandments of God.

#4. Silence, by any means available, anyone who promotes God's Word's over the religious traditions of the Land.

EG, is a master of these tactics and can advise how best to accomplish the above.
Everybody is lost "but not Studyman" who knows the true path. Yes Studyman the Church, the "Body of Christ", needs "Overseer's", to guard over its members and to protect them from "false teachers", like you.

Turn back Studyman to the God you once new, your self concocted religion will not save a flea, turn back.

Acts20:28-31
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Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood. 29) I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30) Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them. 31) Therefore be alert and remember that for 'three years' I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.
 

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Hi DD.

If you do not mind me saying so I can see that you are upset.
Maybe it would have been wiser to address the angst you feel behind the scenes.
But I say this only on the premise that you could do so.

It's interesting to note the word "begotten" as found in

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Which I think is on the KJV, NKJV, & the NASB.

Yet we find

John 3:16
16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

As per other translations.

The issue is this word

monogenes. Which the Greek translates as begotten.

The following is from the NKJV study notes.

(Gk. ho monogenes huios) (1:18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9) Strong’s #3439; 5207: The Greek word for only begotten suggests a one and only son; it does not necessarily convey the idea of a birth. For example, Isaac is called Abraham’s only begotten in Heb. 11:17 and in the Septuagint, the Greek OT (see Gen. 22:2, 12, 16), when actually Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. The Son of God is the Father’s one and only, His unique Son. Although the Father has begotten many children through the new birth (1:12, 13), none of these are exactly like Jesus Christ, the unique Son of God. His Sonship is from eternity. As the unique Son of God, He has a special glory and an unrivaled place of honor.

The above is also explained as the same in the study notes of those verses that do not use the word "begotten"

I already have the following in my library but rather than copy and paste it I will give the link that I copy and pasted the text into my library.

https://www.gotquestions.org/only-begotten-son.html

What's your thoughts?
Hi BillG, I respect your thoughts and everyone is thankful that Disciple Dave is being honest about his identity. There are past members that come back who are less than honest about their identity.

It is also a good thing to talk to Disciple Dave about what caused his unfortunate ban (which you are already doing), so that the same thing does not happen, good on you bro. Restoration and reconciliation is at the heart of the gospel and I pray God will be honored in all that we say or do. If I can help in some way please let me know.

God bless
 

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Hi BillG, I respect your thoughts and everyone is thankful that Disciple Dave is being honest about his identity. There are past members that come back who are less than honest about their identity.

It is also a good thing to talk to Disciple Dave about what caused his unfortunate ban (which you are already doing), so that the same thing does not happen, good on you bro. Restoration and reconciliation is at the heart of the gospel and I pray God will be honored in all that we say or do. If I can help in some way please let me know.

God bless
Restoration and reconciliation is at the heart of the Gospel.

Amen Brother.

It's the gospel of Jesus that reconciles us to the Father.

2 Corinthians 5:16-20
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.
 

BillG

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There is a time from what I understand that we need to shake the dust off our feet and walk away.

As most of you who know me, I find that difficult.
Not that I'm a romantic but because I knew what I was, where I was at.
Yet many wrote me off.
Yes I went MIA, Yes I believed in false doctrine which caused me to go MIA.

I knew what I was but now know who I am.

It took 28 years.

But hey I'm here.
 

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#79,139

Budman said:

Yes, they were saved. The Bible says all who were there were believers. As I've said many times, God does chastise His children, even to the point of taking them home, but they can never be lost.

At the moment of conversion, one is saved forever. Even if they walk away later. They couldn't go to hell if they tried. If salvation is truly a gift, and grace actually unmerited, this has to be so.

Click to expand...

It seems like even lieing to the Holy Spirit is allowed in your OSAS group.

Here's what the bible says;

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

You have just exposed the true colors of OSAS believers and I see those who agreed with you.

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6

...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11



Hi BillG, I respect your thoughts and everyone is thankful that Disciple Dave is being honest about his identity. There are past members that come back who are less than honest about their identity.

It is also a good thing to talk to Disciple Dave about what caused his unfortunate ban (which you are already doing), so that the same thing does not happen, good on you bro. Restoration and reconciliation is at the heart of the gospel and I pray God will be honored in all that we say or do. If I can help in some way please let me know.

God bless
God sees your heart and you cannot mock God. Galatians 6:7-10
 

VCO

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Do you realize what you're claiming here? You are implying that you no longer sin.

Just for clarification; Do you, or do you not continue to sin?

Yes or no please.



If he really thinks he does not sin, send him to my post #78,986 that will prove he sins almost daily.
 
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Whats that in US dollars? Or is that US dollars? I know we complain here alot but we have the cheapest gas in the world I believe.
That is American dollar cost....it is like $1.81 Au dollar per liter.....3.785 liters per gallon....so...most expensive is about $6.85 a gallon for 98 octane at BP.....and cheapest is about $1.40 a liter or so right now......I don't smoke cigs either, but a pack of the cheapest cigs will run about $30...........
 
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That is American dollar cost....it is like $1.81 Au dollar per liter.....3.785 liters per gallon....so...most expensive is about $6.85 a gallon for 98 octane at BP.....and cheapest is about $1.40 a liter or so right now......I don't smoke cigs either, but a pack of the cheapest cigs will run about $30...........
And americans complain about how rough they have it. Just goes to show how blind they are.
 
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They are also threatening to have me banned but if they succeed, it's not us who presented scriptures to contradict their FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES that they have banned or are banning but the WORD itself which is the TRUTH. (see john 17:17) Who else would want to ban or suppress the TRUTH?

..The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of MEN WHO SUPPRESS THE TRUTH by their wickedness, Romans 1:18

...They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
Most people who call themselves Christian hate the totality of Bible Scripture; this is the "crucify Christ mentality". If Christ were alive today, most of these people would be chanting "CRUCIFY HIM".
 

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Most people who call themselves Christian hate the totality of Bible Scripture; this is the "crucify Christ mentality". If Christ were alive today, most of these people would be chanting "CRUCIFY HIM".
If they can threaten you, they can even kill you, and their doing that by their hatred towards other people.

...Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15
 
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And americans complain about how rough they have it. Just goes to show how blind they are.
A cup of coffee at Mc Cracks is like 4.50.....I went and got some fruit for the week...spent like $130 just on fruit.....And like many roads and highways have tolls around Sydney....I have tried to explain that they do not have free healthcare and or cheap prescriptions because it is free and cheap....like a $30 to $40 pack of cigs....they are paying for it in taxes etc.....!
 

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Hi BillG, I respect your thoughts and everyone is thankful that Disciple Dave is being honest about his identity. There are past members that come back who are less than honest about their identity.

It is also a good thing to talk to Disciple Dave about what caused his unfortunate ban (which you are already doing), so that the same thing does not happen, good on you bro. Restoration and reconciliation is at the heart of the gospel and I pray God will be honored in all that we say or do. If I can help in some way please let me know.

God bless
God sees your heart and you cannot mock God. Galatians 6:7-10
And your point is?

They are also threatening to have me banned but if they succeed, it's not us who presented scriptures to contradict their FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES that they have banned or are banning but the WORD itself which is the TRUTH. (see john 17:17) Who else would want to ban or suppress the TRUTH?
Maybe if you are banned why not go to a forum where you can all cosy up and agree rather than tear others apart.

Or maybe stay here and discuss.

What is your purpose here.

Yes I agree that it's the same here.

Your man made doctrine is false so is ours.

One day you will find out so will I.

Then Jesus will judge.

Let's leave that up to him.

In this temporal life let's seek to be like him.
 
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A cup of coffee at Mc Cracks is like 4.50.....I went and got some fruit for the week...spent like $130 just on fruit.....And like many roads and highways have tolls around Sydney....I have tried to explain that they do not have free healthcare and or cheap prescriptions because it is free and cheap....like a $30 to $40 pack of cigs....they are paying for it in taxes etc.....!
Thats how they payed for canada’s healthcare, a 7 percent sales tax over and above the regular sales tax.

Yet canadians still come to the US for better healthcare
 

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And your point is?



Maybe if you are banned why not go to a forum where you can all cosy up and agree rather than tear others apart.

Or maybe stay here and discuss.

What is your purpose here.

Yes I agree that it's the same here.

Your man made doctrine is false so is ours.

One day you will find out so will I.

Then Jesus will judge.

Let's leave that up to him.

In this temporal life let's seek to be like him.
"Tear others apart? Whose doing that? (see Jude 1:4 &17-19)

"Discuss"? How can there be a good discussion if they will resort to name callings and insults and accusations and rejection and gossips rather than edification?

Sorry BillG but I don't intend to stay here that long but I still hope that God will be exalted and His LOVE and Mercy will endure forever. May the BODY OF CHRIST be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature,attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. (Ephesians 4:11-13)

...Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4
 
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i was Banned for this reason:

You have been banned for the following reason: Denying eternity of Christ, teaching Christ was created.

First off i NEVER, EVER denied the Eternity of Christ, whoever banned me is LYING, and Rev 21:8 is clear that ALL LIARS will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone.

Secondly, what i am banned for teaching, is exactly what the Word of God plainly teaches? The Word of God says that Jesus Christ is the first begotten son of the Father in Heaven. i said Jesus was created and i am banned. Really? The very word "begotten" itself in all the following dictionaries means "Created" But let a person say created instead of begotten, and they are banned.


Oxford Dictionary:
Begotten/beget = bring into existence
Create = bring into existence


COBUILD Advanced English Dictionary:
Begotten/beget = To beget something means to cause it to happen or be created.
Create = To create something means to cause it to happen or exist.


Webster's New World College Dictionary:
Begotten/beget = to be the father or sire of; procreate.to bring into being; produce
Create = to cause to come into existence; bring into being; make; originate

Webster Dictionary:
Begotten = brought into existence by
Create = to bring into existence

i was banned because the one who banned me did not believe what i was saying, and because of personal feelings towards me, banned me. i did not break any rules, did not break any Terms of Service (TOS) was not given any written notices at all, was not warned in the slightest and yet i was banned because of his/her personal prejudices. CC should evaluate this person and look into all the other people this person has banned to see if they were banned in a Godly manner or a personal one.

This is DiscipleDave. And God is my witness, i said NOTHING contrary to the Word of God, but only contrary to belief of the one who banned me. Let God Judge that person as that person has judged me. If that person judged me righteously, then let God judge that person the same, but if that person judged me falesly, then with the same merit that he/she judged me, let God judge that person.

Judge if you think it is Godly that people can be banned from CC without any means to appeal.

i will check back next Sunday to see if i am still banned. If i am, i can't see how my conscience would allow me to continue to donate $20.00 every month and will have to cease doing so. Judge if i should continue to donate to a CC which has banned me for no Godly reason at all.

In His Holy and Precious Name,
DiscipleDave
Your post is breaking the rules, being back is breaking the rules and your threat of pulling your 20 a month is childish at best!
 
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Hi BillG, I respect your thoughts and everyone is thankful that Disciple Dave is being honest about his identity. There are past members that come back who are less than honest about their identity.

It is also a good thing to talk to Disciple Dave about what caused his unfortunate ban (which you are already doing), so that the same thing does not happen, good on you bro. Restoration and reconciliation is at the heart of the gospel and I pray God will be honored in all that we say or do. If I can help in some way please let me know.

God bless
Openly calling the moderators liars, saying they will burn in hell and openly threatening to yank his 20 a month donation is not very biblical at all.....just being here under a new name is breaking the rules and lest we forget this guy claimed to be a prophet and said that Jesus would reference him by his CC name in the day of judgment to level punishment and judgement against all of us!!

He should not be coddled!
 
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Your post is breaking the rules, being back is breaking the rules and your threat of pulling your 20 a month is childish at best!
Several have tried to assist him to some truths, but he will have none of it.

He claims created angels are eternal beings, then compares them to Christ as if Christ were created. If anything is created it is not an eternal being.

The only eternal being is the triune Godhead. Of course this means that at no time did he come into existence, nor will he ever cease to exist, nor was he at anytime created.

DD says he teaches Christ is eternal, then right after this says he was created. Forest? Trees?
 

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Openly calling the moderators liars, saying they will burn in hell and openly threatening to yank his 20 a month donation is not very biblical at all.....just being here under a new name is breaking the rules and lest we forget this guy claimed to be a prophet and said that Jesus would reference him by his CC name in the day of judgment to level punishment and judgement against all of us!!

He should not be coddled!

He should be permanently banned in my book.