Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

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My goodness......

I don't think there is any scripture telling us we must choose only one, but as Paul tells us when he explains grace to us "heaven forbid". We are to know about grace, and we are to know about law.

Paul speaks against legalistic obedience even calling this sort of obedience the law of Moses. At that time many gentiles were only temporarily joining God's people then leaving taking their Jewish friends they made with them. The chief rabbis decided to make many rules for joining them and the word in the street about it was to call these requirements the law of Moses. Paul spoke against this, but there is never any scripture about a requirement not to keep God's laws.

Paul tells us that it is impossible for humans to keep God's law perfectly, that we are not perfect and can't be perfect. Humans are fond of saying that if they can't do it all they won't do any of it, but that is not scripture.

We are told to obey law, and we are told this obedience is not looked at by the Lord to decide on grace for us. Our faith is what God sees. The two, in scripture, are entirely separate. But each of the two, grace and law, are to be understood by us.

Fallacy: equivocation.

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

This chapter makes it absolutely clear that both our salvation and our sanctification are by faith, not by following the law. Paul was clear about what he meant by "the law". He didn't mean the rabbinic teachings; he meant the Law as given to Moses. The quote in verse 10 is from Deuteronomy 27:26 which says, “Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.”

Understand the law, by all means... and understand that we are under a different covenant, for the earlier covenant has been set aside.

Ephesians 4:14-15 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations...

Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.
Hebrew 10:9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.

If you want to be legalistic, up to you, but it wont get you anywhere. You will be like the Pharisees and become self righteous. We are under the new covenant now. Remember the doubleminded man wont receive anything from God.

All who RELY on works for salvation. Doing works is NOT relying on them for salvation but loving God.

Rabbinical teachings are teachings to use rituals to obey law, that is NOT law obedience.

The command in the flesh and not in the spirit are set aside, but the law, the spirit of God is NOT set aside.

All of our fleshly earthly life is a shadow of the life to come, that does not mean we should all destroy our earth because it is a shadow of heaven.

To set aside God's law for us is to set aside God.

Just how many threads about this topic do you want, Blik?

My goodness......

Isnt the law written on our hearts when we are born again, so, I dont know what the argument is. If its now been placed in your heart, obey it. Because believers are given NEW hearts, right? Grace acts upon the heart, and we are circumcised in the heart. I dont know any believer these days who tells us we need to be circumicised anywhere else.

If you want to be legalistic, up to you, but it wont get you anywhere. You will be like the Pharisees and become self righteous. We are under the new covenant now. Remember the doubleminded man wont receive anything from God. Even before abraham was circumcised, his faith was counted as righteousness before God. And so it is with all the people of God (look in Hebrews 11) by faith it says...and the people their faith by their works i.e obeying God. But note, all the different people commended were not commended in terms of whether they kept the letter of the law. It does not say Abrham was rightous because he got circumcised, or Rahab because she married an israelite, or Samson because he kept the nazarite vow. HEbrews commends them on their faith, for without faith its IMPOSSIBLE to please God.

I'm with you on this one bro, sorta like beaten a dead horse! 😋

I don't think there is any scripture telling us we must choose only one,

For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (John 1:17 KJV)

Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (Romans 4:16 KJV)

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: (Romans 5:20 KJV)

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14 KJV)

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:15 KJV)

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21 KJV)

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4 KJV)

We may know about the law but we live by His grace. (And please, don't anyone charge me being against the law.)

Isn't the law written on our hearts when we are born again........

“not one jot or one tittle will pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” Matt 5.18.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6.9)

Matt. 5:27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

(Acts 5:29) - "But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men."

Romans 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

Romans 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

John 14:21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”

Oh yeah we can play Scriptural ping-pong all day...

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
(Rom 10:3-6)

So how do we put on Christ within us in our daily life?

I don't think there is any scripture telling us we must choose only one, but as Paul tells us when he explains grace to us "heaven forbid". We are to know about grace, and we are to know about law.

Paul speaks against legalistic obedience even calling this sort of obedience the law of Moses. At that time many gentiles were only temporarily joining God's people then leaving taking their Jewish friends they made with them. The chief rabbis decided to make many rules for joining them and the word in the street about it was to call these requirements the law of Moses. Paul spoke against this, but there is never any scripture about a requirement not to keep God's laws.

Paul tells us that it is impossible for humans to keep God's law perfectly, that we are not perfect and can't be perfect. Humans are fond of saying that if they can't do it all they won't do any of it, but that is not scripture.

We are told to obey law, and we are told this obedience is not looked at by the Lord to decide on grace for us. Our faith is what God sees. The two, in scripture, are entirely separate. But each of the two, grace and law, are to be understood by us.

Just how many threads about this topic do you want, Blik?

My goodness......