Praying in Tongues
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The second video, I heard a few words I recognized but being long drawn out like that, she could of been just singing her gift, without anointing. It stirred nothing within me towards worship, and singing in the Spirit does.
Besides, only the immature will show off the giftings. These things are tools but they are Holy tools.
Besides, only the immature will show off the giftings. These things are tools but they are Holy tools.
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Yes Christ raised the dead and did many miracles. The apostles together with the 1st century church also raised the dead and did many miracles. The book has given reasons why it happened:
Heb 2:
1We must pay closer attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every transgression and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?
This salvation was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4and was affirmed by God through signs, wonders, various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to His will.
The sign gifts affirmed the gospel, the gospel was preached to all nations and the end started thereafter. That was some where between 1st and 2nd century. We are now in the end times, only satan works miracles to deceive people. For the rest of the people:
Rom 8:35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:“For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
Heb 2:
1We must pay closer attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every transgression and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?
This salvation was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4and was affirmed by God through signs, wonders, various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to His will.
The sign gifts affirmed the gospel, the gospel was preached to all nations and the end started thereafter. That was some where between 1st and 2nd century. We are now in the end times, only satan works miracles to deceive people. For the rest of the people:
Rom 8:35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:“For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
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I am going to propose a theory to you and see what your views of this is:
Even though I have proven the actual Greek word Paul used meant human languages, and unfortunately has been mistranslated and misinterpreted as the Gift of Tongues (the word I have in bold), I will still use the same scripture context to provided TWO TRUTHS.
1 Corinthians 13:
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
This is the verse the majority have used to claim the Gift of Tongues has ended.
Now, let's view the next 2 verses that follow, and pay attention to the new word I have in bold.
1 Corinthians 13:
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when [[that]] which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
So this is about as obvious as it gets here:
Verse 8 speaks of things that will eventually end, and in verse 10, Paul clarifies when it will end. According to Paul, it ends when that which is PERFECT comes.
We know when Paul wrote this, the Holy Spirit had already been sent by the ascending Yeshua. So verse 10 is not about the Holy Spirit. That only leaves one other option that is PERFECT, and we are still waiting for Him to come, Y-E-S-H-U-A (Jesus) is who we are still waiting for to make His Second Coming.
So by what Paul said, prophecy, Tongues (Languages), knowledge ALL end when that which is PERFECT comes.
Today, we still are watching prophecy unfold (Tribulation -antichrist -Second Coming -Sun to darkness and moon to blood - Armageddon -New Jerusalem -Great White Throne Judgement - Lake of Fire) are just a few of the things prophesied that we are waiting to happen.
Today, we still have knowledge. Look at what we are doing within this thread, we are using our knowledge to debate the topic of Tongues. So knowledge is still prevalent at this moment and time and clearly has not ended.
And that leaves us with Tongues. If prophecy is still active, if knowledge is still possible, then Tongues has to also be active BECAUSE that which is PERFECT has not yet come.
That was TRUTH #1
TRUTH #2
Paul's word he used means languages, as in what human beings speak. Paul claims when that which is PERFECTcomes, languages will CEASE.
So, if our languages will end when Yeshua returns, how will we communicate?
We will be given a new language, which already exists and has existed, and is the Language of God and how God speaks to His angels (heavenly body).
In Corinthians, Paul claims there is times when people speak in Tongues and there are no interpretations because no one knows the language being spoken (this is 2,000 years ago).
I propose to you then, those who are genuinely caught up in the Spirit, praying in their native Tongue, and suddenly they began speaking in what Paul called (unknown Tongues), how do we know for certain this is not part of that new language we will all be speaking one day?
Obviously it was happening to Paul and those in the churches he started. And since we know things don't end until that which is PERFECT has come, how are we certain that a true and genuine prayer that does end up speaking in Tongues, is not part of that NEW LANGUAGE we ALL will be speaking one day.
Obviously as a true believer of God, we should ALREADY HAVE ACCESS to that new language since we see it being spoken 2,000 years ago.
And since nothing ends until Yeshua (Jesus) returns, I claim it is possible that some have already spoken in today's time in our NEW LANGUAGE!!
I know what you mean but your scope is really limited. Blasphemy of the Holy spirit is not only claiming that God did not do when He actually did.
Someone lied to the Apostles about the proceeds from land sales when gave a portion and kept a portion, He was struck dead for blaspheming against the Holy spirit.
If lying against God is blasphemy, then attributing things to God that are not God's is even worse;
Matt 7:
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Someone lied to the Apostles about the proceeds from land sales when gave a portion and kept a portion, He was struck dead for blaspheming against the Holy spirit.
If lying against God is blasphemy, then attributing things to God that are not God's is even worse;
Matt 7:
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
If I am wrong. Why then nobody could provide me a Proof from the churchhistory that fulfilling with the Holy Spirit is connected with speaking in tongues? That speaking in tongues is a sign to be baptised with the Holy Spirit. ?
At least some evidence should be there, but is not.
I do not deney that speaking in tongues occured in Special Groups, mostly ore almost in sects/ Cults.
And near awakening movements. But this is no Proof that this was ever taught in the church. Ore from founders like Calvin, Zwingli, Luther, and so on.
At least some evidence should be there, but is not.
I do not deney that speaking in tongues occured in Special Groups, mostly ore almost in sects/ Cults.
And near awakening movements. But this is no Proof that this was ever taught in the church. Ore from founders like Calvin, Zwingli, Luther, and so on.
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but you are not responsible for them
you are only responsible for yourself
do you feel persuaded not to believe when an atheist comes on board?
and at the risk of boring the naysayers...I am not and never have been and never will be Charismatic or Pentecostal
God gives the gifts...not the denoms
but you are not responsible for them
you are only responsible for yourself
do you feel persuaded not to believe when an atheist comes on board?
and at the risk of boring the naysayers...I am not and never have been and never will be Charismatic or Pentecostal
God gives the gifts...not the denoms
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well that isn't true and I know that personally
you confuse what, for example, a word of knowledge is, with ADDED revelation to scripture
and sorry, but that lame ole 'the Bible is the perfect' does not fit in context with the rest of what was being said
there are no more need for signs? really? so everyone is saved and on their way to heaven? and you are omnipresent and can state that with a straight face and the authority of God? do you speak for Him? you know all things do you?
maybe you should brush up on what signs were for in the first place
when people address scripture with no approach other than their recognizance, they are bound to fire the Holy Spirit and depend on themselves and address themselves as the authority
yet, the Bible says it must be spiritually understood. what you do, is to tie up the Holy Spirit and gift box Him to yourself and say that He no longer acts beyond the understanding you have and others who identify as cessationist
again, that is your choice, but it is not biblical
think of God as you will and that will pretty much be the way you receive Him
He is either God and His Spirit still reveals Him to those who accept what scripture teaches, or, He has become an idol that people worship with their own understanding
yes I said that
anyway, I'm done with your posts, at least for now; your opinions are well noted by all
you confuse what, for example, a word of knowledge is, with ADDED revelation to scripture
and sorry, but that lame ole 'the Bible is the perfect' does not fit in context with the rest of what was being said
there are no more need for signs? really? so everyone is saved and on their way to heaven? and you are omnipresent and can state that with a straight face and the authority of God? do you speak for Him? you know all things do you?
maybe you should brush up on what signs were for in the first place
when people address scripture with no approach other than their recognizance, they are bound to fire the Holy Spirit and depend on themselves and address themselves as the authority
yet, the Bible says it must be spiritually understood. what you do, is to tie up the Holy Spirit and gift box Him to yourself and say that He no longer acts beyond the understanding you have and others who identify as cessationist
again, that is your choice, but it is not biblical
think of God as you will and that will pretty much be the way you receive Him
He is either God and His Spirit still reveals Him to those who accept what scripture teaches, or, He has become an idol that people worship with their own understanding
yes I said that
anyway, I'm done with your posts, at least for now; your opinions are well noted by all
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a long time ago now, a group of teen agers asked to see a miracle...I was only a few years older...
I told them to come with me and I would show them one and I felt impressed by the Holy Spirit to do so but did not have a clue what would happen
well, I told them to close their eyes and raise their arms and invited them to follow me in saying a prayer to accept Jesus
every one of them did so...and a few started to cry but every one was super quiet
one guy in particular, really started crying and soon he was also speaking in tongues....praying...with his arms upraised and tears flowing down his cheeks...he just went with the flow of the Holy Spirit!
I don't know how many continued, but God does and I said the miracle was the new birth and explained it
I would not think to do that on my own, but the Holy Spirit really impressed Himself upon them and me too! the Spirit of God does give you boldness to witness and does draw people to God
I told them to come with me and I would show them one and I felt impressed by the Holy Spirit to do so but did not have a clue what would happen
well, I told them to close their eyes and raise their arms and invited them to follow me in saying a prayer to accept Jesus
every one of them did so...and a few started to cry but every one was super quiet
one guy in particular, really started crying and soon he was also speaking in tongues....praying...with his arms upraised and tears flowing down his cheeks...he just went with the flow of the Holy Spirit!
I don't know how many continued, but God does and I said the miracle was the new birth and explained it
I would not think to do that on my own, but the Holy Spirit really impressed Himself upon them and me too! the Spirit of God does give you boldness to witness and does draw people to God
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