Law keeping?

You personally were never given the Sabbath as a benefit to you because you deny God the Father, saying God only created the world Jews. You deny the world for yourself.

A covenant tells of a relationship. The covenant given on Mt Sinai told of the results to us of what the law does, promising us that it brings blessings as we obey and curses as we disobey. We know this is true, as our prison system today shows us about curses and the track record of the Jews who try to obey shows us blessings. That covenant was not, as you have said, cancelled. We still have blessings, and murderers still go to jail.

Christ told us that He and the Father are one, yet you state the OT only tells of Jews and Jewishness. You are denying Christ when you deny the Father.

Or not the written law may be more exact:

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.

right .

the point I keep making with the judeaizers is that the actual letter of the Law was never commanded to the gentiles.

Paul referred to " the ministry of death, written on stones " . recon what he was referring to? what was written in stone?

and, yes, Paul was a jew, who did keep the festivals, etc.. but never commanded anyone to do so in any of His letters. never Sabbath either. so, since the gentiles did not have the Law, Paul did not teach them to keep the Sabbath, how in the world can you or anyone say that gentiles have to keep the Law??

and Paul also stated that the letter ( the literal ) kills, but the Sprit give life.

oh, and I do not like to say this, it sounds like boasting, and we are told not to, --- I have read the Bible al the through 17-18 times ( lost count).


so, please stop saying I need to study, I know what the Bible says, I know what it does not say.

I am not denying the Father. I told you already , a couple of times I think , about what the Father said in Leviticus 26 about the Covenant He made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt.

you dismissed the Father's words here, because they do not fit in your religion.

not to mention, the Father said of the Son " hear Him " on the mount of transfiguration . so, to give the words in red precedent over all other Scripture IS obeying the Father.

Do you believe in the spirit of the law, or just believe in lawlessness? The law itself is embedded in the spirit of the law, the spirit adds to law and does not cancel anything.

Reading bible, without learning anything about it, is useless. I am sorry to say this, also, but even the demons know scripture. It is love that makes the difference, it is as you say the spirit of God that gives understanding.
I do not have a religion! A religion is something men dream up. I try my best to understand the truth of the spirit that scripture tells of. If I am wrong then it is not religion, it is me being wrong.

If you are right and I am wrong then we are all in serious trouble for the God who created us cannot be trusted.

I feel certain I can trust our creator to stand by His word of a covenant defining a relationship with us. You feel certain that a new covenant cancels that word. In Lev. 26 we are told of the covenant God made with us you say it is cancelled. This covenant in Lev. explains law and grace. I think we have a new better grace in Christ. You acknowledge the new but say the old is cancelled. I think the law is part of creation and is part of God so it cannot be cancelled. Christ explained it more completely, giving us not only the law but the spirit of the law.

I hope your cancellation understanding of God is wrong, I feel sure it is. God is eternal, God is Holy, God is all goodness, God is everything Psalms tells us God is. If you are right then Psalms is wrong. I am putting my life in God's hands and I feel it is a good place for my life to be, not the untrustworthy picture you make of God.

Why did Moses tell the people that to obey the law was not too difficult or beyond their reach, but Paul wrote it was the ministry of death and condemnation. Why the difference?

I trust Jesus Christ 100% for my salvation. all glory to Him!!

I am by no means trying to make you or anyone think that God is not trustworthy.

I am saying trust Christ for salvation, all Him.

not attempt to trust Christ and keep the Law.

Christ is 100% able to save anyone who comes to Him in sincere belief.

but, you have to accept the Gift. once you think you have to earn the gift, it is no longer a gift.

When we find differences in scripture it is important that we work through them. We know God is Eternal, God is good, God created us so God knows all about our world and explains it in scripture, so a difference has to be in our understanding or God is not what scripture tells us.

We know the law is the same in Moses time and Paul's time. What was different was the people's culture and how they were thinking. Moses worked with people who knew Egyptian ways better than Hebrew ways, in a world where government was cruel to the people. Paul worked in a world where Rome ruled and the Hebrews had many different beliefs.

Christ was new to the people and Paul's work was to get the knowledge of Christ to gentiles and Jews. When Christ taught law it was to teach the spirit of the law and when Christ spoke against the law it was against legalistic obedience rather than the spirit of the law.

With this understanding, the sameness of the scripture is clear. In Moses' time it was good, simple and right to obey the ten commandments. To do something like the Pharisee at Christ' time of praying by a strutting prayer in the street wouldn't occur to them. In Paul's time they must learn about the real law.

This is an oblique approach to calling the obedient slaves to the law.

Obeying God, our Father, is our due, not some elective subject as taking social sciences.

The thing How obedient does the person have to be?would 50% obedience be acceptable to GOD?Don’t get me wrong being obedient to GOD Is a very Excellent thing but under a law mind set,the person has to be 100%,IMO,there Is a misunderstanding and difficulty explaining the difference In being obedient to GOD to obtain salvation and being obedient to GOD because the person has been born again and now In the process of renewing the mind.

If you have not learned how teh law is after the teaching of Jesus Christ, I am afraid you will never understand obedience to theFather. First learn from Jesus as He has invited you, then come back and talk abut the subject with that knowledge. Otherwise you do not understand how the law is in the teachig of Jesus Christ.

Same to you.

so, what issue do you have with the Cannon? are you mad because 1st Enoch was left out?

Beings that Enoch was around, walking, talking, and preaching God, BEFORE "ANY Covenant", Old?, OR New, was NEEDED, betweenst God, and man?
Yeah? I reckon you could say, I am angry. Angry with man's "gullabitiy" and "short-sided in shelfihness!" Yes!
Does me being angry bother you?

Beings that Enoch was around, walking, talking, and preaching God, BEFORE "ANY Covenant", Old?, OR New, was NEEDED, betweenst God, and man?
Yeah? I reckon you could say, I am angry. Angry with man's "gullabitiy" and "short-sided in shelfihness!" Yes!
Does me being angry bother you?

nah. just another dude who thinks that the " truth ' is being suppressed.

all you guys have the same message- don't trust your Bible, your translation, Jesus was crucified on wed. , raised on the Sabbath, the earth is flat, there is a zionest cabal that runs the world, the jews in Israel are not the " real " jews….

all conspiracy theory garbage. and that is where all this " keep the Law/ Sabbath to be saved " junk belongs.

I think you might be saying, though in a different way. Moses did not expect people to faultlessly follow the letter of the law(obviously) and God did not either. For that is out of mans reach, but when Moses said obeying the law was not too hard to do, he meant obeying the Spirit of the law as it were. People were to love God and seek to obey him according to what was written. But though, because they loved God they wanted to obey him, they would inevitably break the letter of the law along the way. But they would be following the Spirit of the law, by desiring to generally live according to what the law stated. That is not hard to do.


Whereas, along came the Pharisees and demanded faultless obedience to the letter of the law. And Paul had been an ardent Pharisee. You can never be truly righteous according to obeying the letter of the law, for all will fail to obey that letter faultlessly. In that sense, the law is the ministration of death and condemnation, the letter that kills. And so, according to what is actually written, you cannot be truly righteous before God by obeying the law, hence the need for a saviour from your sin. And Christ taught the Spifrit of the law, not the legalistic letter of it, he did not neglect, mercy, failthfulness and justice as the Pharisees did

You are the only person who responded to the question, and in my view well addressed it. Yet some on this site may attack you for being legalistic, thinking they have superior knowledge.

God bless

I think you are still reading scripture as if it is written to us in this century, and you apply it well. The problem is that Moses was speaking to people of centuries ago who had lived in Egypt several hundred years. They were so ignorant of the one God that they created the golden calf. Imagine the people of your church deciding they needed a gold calf! So what they heard about the law and what you hear with your background and education is very different. I think what we need to understand of the law given is that it is the way our world works for good, there was no concept of legalism at that time.

Paul spoke to a world closer to us, but still it was a different world. The message of Christ was closer to a message for us, that is not to use fleshly heartless obedience but to understand the spirit of God in the law and obey that. The spirit of the law includes the legalistic law, but it is done with love.

I think you are still reading scripture as if it is written to us in this century, and you apply it well. The problem is that Moses was speaking to people of centuries ago who had lived in Egypt several hundred years. They were so ignorant of the one God that they created the golden calf. Imagine the people of your church deciding they needed a gold calf! So what they heard about the law and what you hear with your background and education is very different. I think what we need to understand of the law given is that it is the way our world works for good, there was no concept of legalism at that time.

Paul spoke to a world closer to us, but still it was a different world. The message of Christ was closer to a message for us, that is not to use fleshly heartless obedience but to understand the spirit of God in the law and obey that. The spirit of the law includes the legalistic law, but it is done with love.