Mark 16: 9-20 inspiration, God or man?

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John146

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WIbaptist said:
I have found many. I don’t keep a written record. I wouldn’t believe what I believe if I didn’t see them for myself. What I have issue with is blind faith in a single translation mainly the KJV.
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Blind faith? I have been defending the KJV for many years through personal study. All so called errors can be cleared up through comparing Scripture to Scripture.
 
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Guojing

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No, and neither is Mark 16: 9-20. But they are additions to the original. The main reason I posted this is because it is the most quoted scripture from fraudulent “healers”, Pentecostals and Charismatics that claim to control the power of the Holy Spirt, and from those in Apostolic churches. It has lead many astray.
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Interesting, would you consider John 20:23 as not inspired too, because only Roman Catholics practice that?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Some issues with the last verses in mark

1. it says the believers can drink poison and be bitten by snakes and not be harmed or not die, this is proven to be false
2. In another gospel jesus says whoever believes, he does not use the word baptise, so at most, this is questionable

If there is one error, it is faulty, we can not say gods word is inerrant then have errors.
 
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I have found many. I don’t keep a written record. I wouldn’t believe what I believe if I didn’t see them for myself. What I have issue with is blind faith in a single translation mainly the KJV.
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Good luck, he will never listen to anything you say about his idol.
 
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Misrepresentation of any text of scripture by a select segment is not justification for calling the legitimacy of that text into question.
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I’m not challenging the authenticity of 1 Corinthians 14 even though it is grossly distorted by the Pentecostals. But there are valid historical reasons to doubt the ending of Mark as well as the misapplication.
 
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I know that there are many that believe it to include Lutherans and Presbyterians. I hold that they have strayed from the Bible in that matter and have elevated church doctrine and tradition over the Bible.
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Even COC believes one is not saved apart from water baptism, i heard some baptists did also, although i have yet to meet one (i was saved and attended the baptist faith most of my life,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Some issues with the last verses in mark

1. it says the believers can drink poison and be bitten by snakes and not be harmed or not die, this is proven to be false
2. In another gospel jesus says whoever believes, he does not use the word baptise, so at most, this is questionable

If there is one error, it is faulty, we can not say gods word is inerrant then have errors.
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Did you skip this part of your Bible?

Acts 28:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

Come on now EG. :p
 
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Guojing said:
Interesting, would you consider John 20:23 as not inspired too, because only Roman Catholics practice that?
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There is no question about thise passages. Only in interpretation, if we theough scripure out because of interpretation problems we would throw half the word out (luther wanted to get rid of james because of misinterpretation)
 
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Did you skip this part of your Bible?

Acts 28:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

Come on now EG. :p
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1 example?

Lol, there are many examples of believers who died should we discount them :p
 
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BenFTW said:
Did you skip this part of your Bible?

Acts 28:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

Come on now EG. :p
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Oh yes, I forgot the part where we are all Apostles that have seen the risen Christ and empowered to build the church from nothing. Did you miss the part where Paul lost the ability to heal and had to leave those he cared about suffering?
 
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I’m not challenging the authenticity of 1 Corinthians 14 even though it is grossly distorted by the Pentecostals. But there are valid historical reasons to doubt the ending of Mark as well as the misapplication.
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Granted, there is room for speculation on the question of that portion of Mark 16 but, the textual evidence in its favor is just as compelling as that which is used to question its legitimacy. There are may passages with far less textual support that go virtually unchallenged. This leads me to wonder about the motives of those who call this particular text into question on that basis.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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oldhermit said:
Granted, there is room for speculation on the question of that portion of Mark 16 but, the textual evidence in its favor is just as compelling as that which is used to question its legitimacy. There are may passages with far less textual support that go virtually unchallenged. This leads me to wonder about the motives of those who call this particular text into question on that basis.
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If that was the only basis, i would agree, but it is more than that.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
1 example?

Lol, there are many examples of believers who died should we discount them :p
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You said it was "proven false." Yet, I've provided through God's word (your standard for truth, I hope) an example of such an occurrence whereby the one bitten takes no harm. As for those that died, as opposed to being proven false, God's word stands true. You shall not test the Lord your God. Those snake charmers are doing exactly that.
 
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Oh yes, I forgot the part where we are all Apostles that have seen the risen Christ and empowered to build the church from nothing. Did you miss the part where Paul lost the ability to heal and had to leave those he cared about suffering?
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You shouldn't think for a moment that any of God's children have lost the ability to heal the sick. The same Spirit that rose Jesus from the dead resides in them (being the temple of the Holy Spirit). The name of Jesus still carries authority.
 
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BenFTW said:
You said it was "proven false." Yet, I've provided through God's word (your standard for truth, I hope) an example of such an occurrence whereby the one bitten takes no harm. As for those that died, as opposed to being proven false, God's word stands true. You shall not test the Lord your God. Those snake charmers are doing exactly that.
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My friend,

It said they will be known by these signs, that means all.

You showing 1 example does not prove all

You should know better than that.
 
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BenFTW said:
You shouldn't think for a moment that any of God's children have lost the ability to heal the sick. The same Spirit that rose Jesus from the dead resides in them (being the temple of the Holy Spirit). The name of Jesus still carries authority.
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I do not doubt the power of the Holy Spirit. I am not discounting spiritual gifts. I am discounting your claim that every believer is equal to the Apostles. I am challenging your claim of humans controlling the power of God through the Holy Spirit. As I said and you blatantly ignored, even Paul lost his powers. God has given people free reign to use his Power and will and do so again. That time isn’t now.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BenFTW said:
You shouldn't think for a moment that any of God's children have lost the ability to heal the sick. The same Spirit that rose Jesus from the dead resides in them (being the temple of the Holy Spirit). The name of Jesus still carries authority.
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Only God can heal the sick, and only in his will. I have witnessed this in the power of prayer. I have also seen God say no, i am not going to heal this time,
 
JaumeJ

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I like the KJV but I read many versions of the Word, always have and also in a few languges.

The bottom line foks, and it ii is undeniable, when God wants someone to kow something, they will get the truth out of a Betty Crocker Cookbook, if it is His will.

If the Holy Spirit guides the rader, do not worry about which Bible is being read…...
 
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PS.....I know Moses came down from the Mount with rays coming out of his head, not horns as translated for centuries.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
My friend,

It said they will be known by these signs, that means all.

You showing 1 example does not prove all

You should know better than that.
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The point stands. You said it has been proven false, yet we have an example in scripture. Regardless of the quantifiable evidence, we have evidence nonetheless. If you see it once, it means its been done. Ergo, not proven false.

Sorry if I am coming off forward, and it really might be silly to be this adamant about surviving a snake bite, but God does the impossible, and divinely protects His saints. This cannot be denied.
 
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