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KnowMe

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They have tested the atom collider gold and yes it can but it’s not of stellar quality.
 

Dino246

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those six biblical "days of creation" contain time frames of which we are unfamiliar
because they are undefined
What's unfamiliar about "evening and morning"? It's only unfamiliar to those who want to inject some other agenda into the text. :)
 

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the first scientist was Noah, he built the ark using it and invented fire, he was also the first ecologist, butcher and wine producer
 
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the first scientist was Noah, he built the ark using it and invented fire, he was also the first ecologist, butcher and wine producer
And practiced sanitation
 
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obedienttogod

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I like that and you make some good points, I think the one thing that sets us apart from all things created is that living soul breathe into the human vessel, not made of physical bacteria or elements etc. and that’s something science doesn’t include because it’s not seen or measured.


For the most part, many of those who thrive in science, do so by lacking emotions and being blessed with the ability to comprehend mathematics. I find it strange when the majority of societies don't recognize the damage science is actually polluting. We have a group of minds typically suffering from a psychological disorder known as Asperger's or Autism. They are mental midgets who literally find it difficult to communicate to another human being. Their emotional level does not even register to a point one could categorize their emotional status. They do not understanding the difference between a gathering of people for a sporting event compared to a funeral procedure. To them, it's a gathering of people.

But I mention this specifically towards their mental status. Because these emotionless individuals, who have never understood the meaning of intimacy, and have destroyed lives of women who desires to be met at an emotional level. These impotent gnats are just not only lost, but morbidly mortified about connecting on a wavelength that requires touching and feeling. It's these very clueless blind empty shelled beings, who are the ones convincing parents to shove their children into mental therapy, because these children emotionally connected to God.

These people cannot even connect with themselves, and they have the stones to claim emotionally connecting with God is an act of insanity...all because...some retard with no emotions believes so.

When did humanity become so ignorant, they handed over common sense practices to the people who possess absolutely no common sense whatsoever..?..
 
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There are numerous anomalies found in scripture that often gets over looked...for example.....Solomon said, "That which is going to be has already been and there is nothing new under the sun."

Cities in Pakistan and India show signs of vitrification with bodies showing many times the amount of radiation that should be in them........and there is only one thing that causes vitrification........

How would you describe the following....

Destruction that.....

a. Comes from under the shadow of a cloud
b. With the tempest of a storm
c. Causes the earth to undulate and quake
d. Burns cities with fire and makes them uninhabitable
e. Kills of of the young men of war in one hour that remain in their bases (strongholds)
f. Is heard around the world
g. No one helps for fear of her torment

I know how I would described it, and it involves splitting the atom............
You know what else causes radiation? The sun! I don’t know but if something destroyed the face of the planet, is it possible the electromagnetic field and ozone could have been effected? Might this cause harmful radiation to enter?
 
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You know what else causes radiation? The sun! I don’t know but if something destroyed the face of the planet, is it possible the electromagnetic field and ozone could have been effected? Might this cause harmful radiation to enter?
The particular cities I am speaking of have been vitrified........<----Sand and dirt fused into glass by a thermonuclear blast.....with bodies strewn about and highly irradiated...........for the sake of reading I googled "cities in Pakistan and India showing signs of vitrification"


Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945...........

Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.

When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.

While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

"'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way."​
When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was,

Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast
 

posthuman

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What's unfamiliar about "evening and morning"? It's only unfamiliar to those who want to inject some other agenda into the text. :)
what do i do with the fact that He didn't make the sun & moon in their place until the 4th day? morning and evening without the sunrise or sunset is a bit unfamiliar, unless you live in a cave.. or Alaska lol :)
 

louis

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A couple of decades back science found that the universe was not only expanding, but was picking up speed in its expansion.
The name science gave for this newly discovered phenomenon was dark energy.
The reason for its name "dark energy" continuing today is that scientists still haven't got a clue as to what dark energy that expands the universe is.
In contrast to this declaration of ignorance, Isaiah 44:24 indicates the Lord being sciences "dark energy", who stretches the heavens.
The Lord is also credited for Continental drift in Isaiah 44:24.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
 

Dino246

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what do i do with the fact that He didn't make the sun & moon in their place until the 4th day? morning and evening without the sunrise or sunset is a bit unfamiliar, unless you live in a cave.. or Alaska lol :)
A rotating sphere and a point source of light will result in "sunrise" and "sunset". When God said, "Let there be light", He didn't specify the nature of its source. :)
 

posthuman

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the first scientist was Noah, he built the ark using it and invented fire, he was also the first ecologist, butcher and wine producer
  • building something doesn't make you a scientist, and other things were certainly built before the ark. Cain built a city, for example ((Genesis 4:16-17))
  • Tubal-Cain son of Zillah 'forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron' ((Genesis 4:22))
  • Adam named all the animals and tended the garden of Eden ((Genesis 2:15, 19-20))
  • Abel brought a butchered lamb as an offering ((Genesis 4:3))
  • Genesis 9:20-21 is the first mention of 'wine' in the Bible, but it says Noah, being 'a man of the soil' planted a vineyard and 'drank some of its wine' in a very matter-of-fat way that suggests that this is what people who were 'men of the soil' generally did. the text is admittedly ambiguous on the point, but it doesn't at all say he 'invented' wine -- the wording fits much better the understanding that the making of wine preceded this event.
 
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A rotating sphere and a point source of light will result in "sunrise" and "sunset". When God said, "Let there be light", He didn't specify the nature of its source. :)
In a way He didn't specify the nature of its source. God is light supernaturally .Not so much can he create it but it is who he is or what makes God, God .

God is Love .God is light and God is Spirit .He is not a man as us.

Its almost as beforehand he knew many would try and make the Sun the life giving source of life of the universe and not the faithful Creator so he waited till the fourth day to switch on the temporal .

Natural light as a beginning is that which would be used as a time keepers.They did not get turned on until the fourth day .

In the new order the Sun and the moon will no longer be needed and the glory of the lord (his light) will be the light and never will there be darkness again

And God saith, `Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens, to make a separation between the day and the night, then they have been for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years, and they have been for luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth:' and it is so.And God maketh the two great luminaries, the great luminary for the rule of the day, and the small luminary -- and the stars -- for the rule of the night; and God giveth them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth, and to rule over day and over night, and to make a separation between the light and the darkness; and God seeth that [it is] good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day fourth. Genesis 1:14-19

and the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they may shine in it; for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp of it [is] the Lamb; and the nations of the saved in its light shall walk, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it,
and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there;Revelation 21: 23-25

I think it also helps under the description of the chaste virgin bride of Christ, the church, typified as the mother of us all, travailing and pain to bring the new creation. A beautiful picture of the gospel. Christ's wife pictured clothed with the righteousness her husband Christ. Having the Sun and noon under her feet. Its the end of time

Revelation 12 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And a great sign was seen in the heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars,and being with child she doth cry out, travailing and pained to bring forth.
 

Hevosmies

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My mind is blown by science. I still cant figure out how they can supposedly know all this stuff. Just seems unreal to me.

I cant even figure out how a telephone works. HOW IN THE WORLD can someone hear me talking to them on the phone hundreds of kilometers away? ITS INSANE.

There is no possible way telephones are real. I just cant wrap my mind around how they work, LET ALONE the internet. HOW can we talk here? How does the picture get to the TV? How doesnt electricity just fry everything when you turn the light switch on?

The guys who know this stuff are geniuses NO DOUBT. I do sometimes wonder, have we gone too far? Why didnt God tell us any of this? Why didnt God tell Moses "hey turn the lights on buddy, just do this and electricity". I dont know the answer to that.

But I count much of technology as a BLESSING. Fridge is a great blessing, as is the freezer, electricity in general is awesome. Heating on houses. I love it all!

Perhaps God works everything in HIS TIMELINE and He saw that in THIS TIME we are in, we need electricity, but didnt before, due to massive population growth!

I believe in PREDESTINATION: God working it all out!
 
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The particular cities I am speaking of have been vitrified........<----Sand and dirt fused into glass by a thermonuclear blast.....with bodies strewn about and highly irradiated...........for the sake of reading I googled "cities in Pakistan and India showing signs of vitrification"


Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945...........

Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.

When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.

While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

"'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way."​
When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was,

Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast
Thanks for taking the time.
 
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A rotating sphere and a point source of light will result in "sunrise" and "sunset". When God said, "Let there be light", He didn't specify the nature of its source. :)
that’s True,

light from this old star in our galaxy below would do
2MASS J18082002–5104378 B,,, such a long name though lol.
 

posthuman

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#77
A rotating sphere and a point source of light will result in "sunrise" and "sunset". When God said, "Let there be light", He didn't specify the nature of its source. :)
yes ((tho it ain't technically got to be a point source, even if it can be treated as such))

and our '24-earth-hours = evening + morning' comes from a very specific relationship of this planet with a very specific light source, namely, the one which scripture doesn't put as existing before the 4th day. light from sol isn't the light in Genesis 1:3; it can't be, because sol wasn't there yet.

so, it's an assumption that we're talking about the sol-earth-system 'evening and morning' definition which is wholly dependent ((with regard to time)) on their specific dynamic, physical, geo-spatial relationship -- an assumption that is open to question given that the relationship of these two bodies and the time-measure derived from it did not exist for the first three 'days'
 

louis

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My mind is blown by science. I still cant figure out how they can supposedly know all this stuff. Just seems unreal to me.

I cant even figure out how a telephone works. HOW IN THE WORLD can someone hear me talking to them on the phone hundreds of kilometers away? ITS INSANE.

There is no possible way telephones are real. I just cant wrap my mind around how they work, LET ALONE the internet. HOW can we talk here? How does the picture get to the TV? How doesnt electricity just fry everything when you turn the light switch on?

The guys who know this stuff are geniuses NO DOUBT. I do sometimes wonder, have we gone too far? Why didnt God tell us any of this? Why didnt God tell Moses "hey turn the lights on buddy, just do this and electricity". I dont know the answer to that.

But I count much of technology as a BLESSING. Fridge is a great blessing, as is the freezer, electricity in general is awesome. Heating on houses. I love it all!

Perhaps God works everything in HIS TIMELINE and He saw that in THIS TIME we are in, we need electricity, but didnt before, due to massive population growth!

I believe in PREDESTINATION: God working it all out!
Unfortunately, the science/technology we have today, the Lord refers to as sorceries, which cause man to commit thefts and murders (Rev 9:21). These sorceries are attributed to all the environmental damage described in Revelation 8 & 9, from which man will not repent from worshipping (Revelation 9:20).

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
 
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My mind is blown by science. I still cant figure out how they can supposedly know all this stuff. Just seems unreal to me.

I cant even figure out how a telephone works. HOW IN THE WORLD can someone hear me talking to them on the phone hundreds of kilometers away? ITS INSANE.

There is no possible way telephones are real. I just cant wrap my mind around how they work, LET ALONE the internet. HOW can we talk here? How does the picture get to the TV? How doesnt electricity just fry everything when you turn the light switch on?

The guys who know this stuff are geniuses NO DOUBT. I do sometimes wonder, have we gone too far? Why didnt God tell us any of this? Why didnt God tell Moses "hey turn the lights on buddy, just do this and electricity". I dont know the answer to that.

But I count much of technology as a BLESSING. Fridge is a great blessing, as is the freezer, electricity in general is awesome. Heating on houses. I love it all!

Perhaps God works everything in HIS TIMELINE and He saw that in THIS TIME we are in, we need electricity, but didnt before, due to massive population growth!

I believe in PREDESTINATION: God working it all out!
Here’s a good vid explaining how your voice is transformed from sound wave to an electrical wave (light) over the phone.
 

posthuman

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A couple of decades back science found that the universe was not only expanding, but was picking up speed in its expansion.
The name science gave for this newly discovered phenomenon was dark energy.
that's not quite accurate.

astronomical observation indicates the expansion of the universe can't be accounted for by the known & observable forces involved. by a very large margin.
supposing that our knowledge of physics is more or less accurate ((there's plenty of room for margin of error, but we're talking about known physics and observable things in the universe only being able to account for something like 10% of the observed expansion, even given the most optimistic ends of the variability in what's known and seen)), it is theorized that there are forms / sources of matter and energy that we have know knowledge of which account for the 'missing 90%'

because it's unknown, it got the name 'dark' -- whether dark energy or dark matter. this nomenclature does not refer to anything specific; it's specifically a reference to non-specific matter/energy that is presumed to exist but be unobserved, and the presumption is a direct result of the a priori presumption that existing cosmological models - with their own degrees of verification of each constituent part - are within some margin of error, correct.

'dark energy' is not a name for a phenomenon. it's a name for energy that is thought to exist but which has never been seen and can't be identified on the basis of any existing knowledge and whose existence is entirely based on missing sources of influence under the presumption that the best & most current models & observations are not wildly inaccurate.





((not trying to attack anything. i'm just of the mind that if we seriously want to involve science & theology together we need to be careful to be very accurate about what we say))