Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

2 Timothy 2:1-26 Par ▾
Grace and Perseverance
(Hebrews 12:1-3)

1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. 3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. 6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. 7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

The Lord's Approved Workman

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."

I would respond but since you took the time to "Red X" at least 20 of my statements in this thread already, I am pretty sure you are not open to real dialogue. Nevertheless, God bless.

Uh......well then if you believe all that occurred then even giving you all that your bucket is still full of holes and doesnt hold water....
Because NERO has to be your Antichrist LITTLE HORN BEAST of Daniel 7:25 and you never get to mix your IRON AND CLAY which are the feet and toes of Daniels statue.
Plus......NUMBERS 14
EZEKIEL 3 I THINK.....
" a day unto the Lord is a year unto man " ....wandering in the desert 40 yr and laying on your side in sack cloth.
Therefore....Daniel is 1260 yrs until the Antichrist Little Horn Beast empire-Kingdom's Head-The Pope is temporarily removed from power.....1798.....1260 yrs
Justinian Decree-538-1798 Pope head by Napoleon.
So....NERO can not live 1260 yrs.....
Then next you have to explain who your Second beast that comes up out of the land is.......I would point out to you , your Jesuit Priest authored Catholocism diversionary propoganda that didn't appear till oh say 1500
roughly....does not provide
FIRST BEAST EMPIRE IDENTIFICATION OR SECOND BEAST IDENTIFICATION.
FURTHERMORE.......
It does not Identify the Mark of the Beast.....and it would by your false claim have to be Nero's Mark.....
Nero would have to stand in the holy place and Blaspheme God also and THINK to change the law and the times and seasons and festivals.....and he would have to declare himself God and claim the power to forgive sin.
THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT OF DANIEL.....He also has to wage war on the saints and ALMOST wear them out.
( SORRY DANIEL ISNT REFERENCING JEWISH SAINTS THEY ARE GENTILES-PROTESTANTS )
Burned at the stake by the RCC CATHOLIC SATANISTS !!!
So......
On top of all that....
None of your Characters matching their required Characteristics....
You then have to declare John's Revelation book non canonical.....or fraudulent
for which it states the penalty therefore is DEATH....
Or you have to corrupt its intended meanings which the penalty therefore is DEATH.
So.....in reality both of us are treading on thin ice here.
If either of us add to or take from REVELATION we could be blotted out of the......
LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE....
SO......you fool around with Catholic mumbo jumbo all you like.......but .....
I'm PUTTING MY $$$$
On .....PROTESTANT HISTORICAL PROPHETICAL INTERPRETATION.....
They sacrificed their own lives for it......and had no $
to gain for it.....
SO I'm betting your race Horse doesn't make it to the finish line and gets side tracked into the LOF...in my IMHO....RCC IS ANTICHRIST.

Hello Roku23.

I am open to dialogue.

I am X-ing you because you can shipwreck the faith of some,
and that red X will make them aware of it, - or at least make the reader proceed with caution, (why has it been X-ed??)
it is meant as a warning to other believers, and nothing against you personally.

God tells us not to believe every Spirit, but to test them.
Now that I have explained, would you like to answer the questions I asked?

While your explaining Zechariah 12......go ahead and take your shot at 14....

The Bible says the resurrection and judgment happened in A.D. 70. The Bible is absolutely clear about this. Any eschatological system that moves Jesus' second coming from that point is proven false by Scripture. I choose to believe what the Bible says and not what man teaches me. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I hope you can respect mine.

It certainly does - Paul's statement in Acts when the Greek text is literally interpreted and not fudged by translators with a futurist bias points it out:

Acts 24:15 (Young's Literal Translation) having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;

The translation you read are adding to scripture, and you use those words to fit your errors.

Acts 24:15

“And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”

King James Version (KJV)

There will be a resurrection, alright!

Fudged translation as I said - the Greek means "about to be", not shall be Shelby.

Sorry. Cannot respect promulgating error. You are so far off the mark that you are in dire peril my friend.

I believe Revelation is inspired Scripture. If a person ignores the time statements of Revelation then they are going to wind up with incorrect interpretations in my opinion.

Rev 1: 1,3
Rev 22: 6,7,10,12,20

These are 7 time statements at the beginning and ending of the book. That the time was near for these things to be fulfilled. This happened with the destruction of Jerusalem. Near is not 2,000 years and counting.

The Roman Catholic Church is not Mystery Babylon. Jerusalem is.

Rev 18: 24, "And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth."

Luke 16: 16, "The law and the prophets were until John."

The Roman Catholic church was not around in the Old Testament to kill prophets.

Matt 23: 35-36, "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation

Who was Jesus talking to in Matt 23? The Jews and Jerusalem. They were the ones who killed all the prophets.

Matt 23: 31-32, "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt."

And they did. And Jesus destroyed them at the second coming and called His people by another name.

Regarding this portion, do you know enough Greek to be certain, or are you just comparing the YLT to the KJV?

No. The word you are referring to in Acts 24:15 ( "G3195 - mello / mullein ") can be translated "SURE to / CERTAIN to"....

[quoting from Bible Hub, under "HELPS Word-studies"] "3195 (méllō) is used "in general of what is sure to happen" (J. Thayer)."

[end quoting; bold mine]

Where is Angela when we need her?

That's an interesting choice of quotation... and completely irrelevant. You aren't testing a "spirit" here; you're testing a perspective on Scripture and history. I guess you could ask Roku if Jesus Christ has come in the flesh... but I am certain that his response won't satisfy you.

Redirect yourself 2 chapter further and read 14

Locutus is right. It means "about to be". It is in the present infinitive which always denotes imminence.

If you do a word study on the Greek word "mello" it is used 110 times in the New Testament. The majority of those cases you can tell from the context it means something very imminent. The other occurrences are always within a generation and usually within a very short period of time. Thayer is wrong and is biased by futurist eschatology.

Even if you don't agree, there are multiple Scriptures and passages throughout the Old and New Testaments that all point to 70 A.D. as the time of resurrection and judgment. This doesn't hang on one word. The evidence is overwhelming. If a person isn't biased and will accept what the Scriptures say they will see this. The main issue is that many people are not willing to receive it.

Strongs

G3195 mello mel'-lo

a strengthened form of G3199 (through the idea of expectation);

If we do a search for mellein in its Present Active form below you will note that they are imminent "acts" - see the red box to the right:

It says in the bible that Jesus will descend to the earth from the clouds and from the east to the west all eyes on earth will see him. The mountain that He sets His foot on is going to split in two. This hasn't happen yet so your OP is seriously flawed.

When Jesus returns He will rule the earth for a 1000 years. We will be physically able to see and talk with Him. Obviously there has been no 1000 year reign of Christ yet. You left out the part about the battle of Armageddon too.