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Of course the Holy Spirit is continuously sanctifying us. I like the imagery of the smelter removing the dross from the melting precious metal.
The smelter knows when the metal is pure, and all the garbage dross removed, when He can see His Reflection in the metal. Although we have been Fully justified, we will NOT be Fully Sanctified until we are in our New Heavenly bodies.
Although It is true that the PROCESS of Sanctification enables us to sin less, it does NOT make us sinless.
That appears to be your error.
The smelter knows when the metal is pure, and all the garbage dross removed, when He can see His Reflection in the metal. Although we have been Fully justified, we will NOT be Fully Sanctified until we are in our New Heavenly bodies.
Although It is true that the PROCESS of Sanctification enables us to sin less, it does NOT make us sinless.
That appears to be your error.
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Hi Bill,
I agree with you, people are not changed through lists of actions.
What I was asking was do you believe He can change you into the likeness of Jesus?
This is a faith question, not a how question. It takes a real knowledge of Jesus and a belief
He is the Son of God and can go the impossible, even raise the dead.
So do you believe He can change you into His likeness?
My brother, you know He can, you know how much He has already done, and you know how
much He is still to do. But it takes faith and trust to believe He can complete the work He
started in us when we came to Him.
I spoke with a brother today. We were blessed together how the Lord had led him to help
people witnessing in north Africa, as an answer to prayer. It is faith and trust that drives
our eternal destination, not the hurts and pains of our past, but the glories of our futures
in Christ. Do you hear His call?
I agree with you, people are not changed through lists of actions.
What I was asking was do you believe He can change you into the likeness of Jesus?
This is a faith question, not a how question. It takes a real knowledge of Jesus and a belief
He is the Son of God and can go the impossible, even raise the dead.
So do you believe He can change you into His likeness?
My brother, you know He can, you know how much He has already done, and you know how
much He is still to do. But it takes faith and trust to believe He can complete the work He
started in us when we came to Him.
I spoke with a brother today. We were blessed together how the Lord had led him to help
people witnessing in north Africa, as an answer to prayer. It is faith and trust that drives
our eternal destination, not the hurts and pains of our past, but the glories of our futures
in Christ. Do you hear His call?
Hi PennEd,
I have never said it makes us sinless, incapable of sin. But Jesus makes us cleansed, pure and Holy.
And if we stumble, provides a way of reconciliation. He is not a hard task master, rather a loving
Father who has given us the way to Life. What father would ignore their child when they fall while
learning to walk or deny one day they will run with abandon and not face injury.
So where is my error. The error is in those who desire to pick arguments and judging fellow believers
in the faith, because of their hurt pasts.
I have never said it makes us sinless, incapable of sin. But Jesus makes us cleansed, pure and Holy.
And if we stumble, provides a way of reconciliation. He is not a hard task master, rather a loving
Father who has given us the way to Life. What father would ignore their child when they fall while
learning to walk or deny one day they will run with abandon and not face injury.
So where is my error. The error is in those who desire to pick arguments and judging fellow believers
in the faith, because of their hurt pasts.
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I do not know the language that best describe such things.
Paul talks of grace, freedom from ceremonies, food, religious practises, while talking of slavery to righteousness,
loving others, fulfilling the law through the Spirit, sowing to the Spirit, dying to sinful nature.
What I am aware of is some repress fear, fear of rejection, fear of failure and make the eternal present today and
secure beyond that which we know. Fear is not sin, but part of keeping us alive. Without fear the risks we would
take would kill us. Fear is healthy, excessive fear paralyzing. A man of courage takes his fear and does things
despite it rather than not having it.
So the language of security is about fear, not freedom, insecurity and the fear of betrayal, not knowledge of being
known and loved through the cross. The cross is our security in Christ, it is His statement of eternal commitment
to His people to never leave or forsake Him. Our response is to believe He can change us.
Do you believe this?
Paul talks of grace, freedom from ceremonies, food, religious practises, while talking of slavery to righteousness,
loving others, fulfilling the law through the Spirit, sowing to the Spirit, dying to sinful nature.
What I am aware of is some repress fear, fear of rejection, fear of failure and make the eternal present today and
secure beyond that which we know. Fear is not sin, but part of keeping us alive. Without fear the risks we would
take would kill us. Fear is healthy, excessive fear paralyzing. A man of courage takes his fear and does things
despite it rather than not having it.
So the language of security is about fear, not freedom, insecurity and the fear of betrayal, not knowledge of being
known and loved through the cross. The cross is our security in Christ, it is His statement of eternal commitment
to His people to never leave or forsake Him. Our response is to believe He can change us.
Do you believe this?
U
This will be last response.
First we either know Jesus or we do not. No need for truly it is redundant.
The real question is does Jesus know you
Unless you are in HIM, you are not saved, and all the good works, obeying, following and beautiful sounding prose is useless.
You can be persuaded of many things, but unless you are persuaded of the right thing(truth), those many things are not biblical faith.
There is only one biblical faith, everything else has been created by men.
All of scripture is a call to right belief about God and His actions.
First we either know Jesus or we do not. No need for truly it is redundant.
The real question is does Jesus know you
Unless you are in HIM, you are not saved, and all the good works, obeying, following and beautiful sounding prose is useless.
You can be persuaded of many things, but unless you are persuaded of the right thing(truth), those many things are not biblical faith.
There is only one biblical faith, everything else has been created by men.
All of scripture is a call to right belief about God and His actions.
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Of course the Holy Spirit is continuously sanctifying us.
This is the kind of phrase we all so easily use. It is as if in secret the Lord is bringing about change.
And because it is behind the scenes its speed, reach and reality is out of our influence.
But what then is the difference between an assumption and real faith, God will bring us to be like Jesus.
I ask because it is obvious some will oppose we need to be like Jesus, and mock even the suggestion
this is why we are saved and how we are meant to be as the bride of Christ.
So how do you distinguish those who have no faith in the completion of Gods work in our lives,
and those who actively desire it, follow it and wish God to carry it out as a fulfilment of salvation?
It appears to be simply believing God can do this, completely at some point, here on earth, through His
work using the power that rose Jesus from the dead.
This is the kind of phrase we all so easily use. It is as if in secret the Lord is bringing about change.
And because it is behind the scenes its speed, reach and reality is out of our influence.
But what then is the difference between an assumption and real faith, God will bring us to be like Jesus.
I ask because it is obvious some will oppose we need to be like Jesus, and mock even the suggestion
this is why we are saved and how we are meant to be as the bride of Christ.
So how do you distinguish those who have no faith in the completion of Gods work in our lives,
and those who actively desire it, follow it and wish God to carry it out as a fulfilment of salvation?
It appears to be simply believing God can do this, completely at some point, here on earth, through His
work using the power that rose Jesus from the dead.
This will be last response.
First we either know Jesus or we do not. No need for truly it is redundant.
The real question is does Jesus know you
Unless you are in HIM, you are not saved, and all the good works, obeying, following and beautiful sounding prose is useless.
You can be persuaded of many things, but unless you are persuaded of the right thing(truth), those many things are not biblical faith.
There is only one biblical faith, everything else has been created by men.
All of scripture is a call to right belief about God and His actions.
First we either know Jesus or we do not. No need for truly it is redundant.
The real question is does Jesus know you
Unless you are in HIM, you are not saved, and all the good works, obeying, following and beautiful sounding prose is useless.
You can be persuaded of many things, but unless you are persuaded of the right thing(truth), those many things are not biblical faith.
There is only one biblical faith, everything else has been created by men.
All of scripture is a call to right belief about God and His actions.
So I would suggest your answer is No.
And therefore you will get what you believe.
Is this not the eternal justice that the living God provides?
U
First....my eternal life(salvation) is dependent on the completed work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection, because of His victory, salvation is assured and cannot be lost.
Second do not confuse sanctification with justification.
Sanctification is living out our justification.
It is quite simple really.
Sad you make it all so complicated.
I am done now, why, because I know your mind is made up and you refuse to see,
I know and I am absolutely convinced one cannot live a life of victory if they think being a follower is for salvation.
Second do not confuse sanctification with justification.
Sanctification is living out our justification.
It is quite simple really.
Sad you make it all so complicated.
I am done now, why, because I know your mind is made up and you refuse to see,
I know and I am absolutely convinced one cannot live a life of victory if they think being a follower is for salvation.
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Hypocrisy:
If you accuse someone of hypocrisy, you mean that they pretend to have qualities, beliefs, or feelings that they do not really have.
source: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hypocrisy
This is a public forum and thread.
There is no hypocrisy involved in being here.
If you accuse someone of hypocrisy, you mean that they pretend to have qualities, beliefs, or feelings that they do not really have.
source: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hypocrisy
This is a public forum and thread.
There is no hypocrisy involved in being here.
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I don't believe we can transform anyone.
We could lead them to Jesus and then HE'LL transform them....
If there's no transformation...there's no salvation.
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
We could lead them to Jesus and then HE'LL transform them....
If there's no transformation...there's no salvation.
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
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