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JaumeJ

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He commands us to Love which is God, and contains all the valid commandments, and laws, many more thant the Ten, but the others are components of Love....
 

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"Just a thought from this side of the 'glass'...........
Get 'right' with ones own self......ponder this CAREFULLY....the beginning of all things...'to be'.
There will be no quiz on this 'substance'.....
'Praise God'
 

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Dino246

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Welcome to CC, JesusOnly777!

That's an interesting way to start a conversation. As we know nothing about you, or where you're "coming from", perhaps you'd like to share your list to get us started. :)
 

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Name 10 things Jesus commands you to do.
  • fill the jars with water
    • John 2:7
  • stop turning the Father's house into a market
    • John 2:16
  • open your eyes and look at the fields
    • John 4:35
  • stop sinning lest something worse may happen to you
    • John 5:14
  • do not be amazed at this
    • John 5:28
  • search the scriptures diligently
    • John 5:39
  • gather the leftovers; let nothing be wasted
    • John 6:12
  • do not be afraid
    • John 6:20
  • work for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son will give you
    • John 6:27
  • stop grumbling among yourselves
    • John 6:43
 
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He commands us to Love which is God, and contains all the valid commandments, and laws, many more thant the Ten, but the others are components of Love....
Teachings on Murder and Anger Matthew 5:21-22
Teachings on Temptation Matthew 5:27-28
Teachings on Divorce Matthew 5:31-32
Teachings on Oaths Matthew 5:33-37
Teachings on Forgiveness Matthew 5:38-42
Teachings on Loving ones Enemies Matthew 5:43-44
Teachings on Giving Matthew 6:1-4
Teachings on Prayer Matthew 6:5-6
 

posthuman

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Teachings on Murder and Anger Matthew 5:21-22
Teachings on Temptation Matthew 5:27-28
Teachings on Divorce Matthew 5:31-32
Teachings on Oaths Matthew 5:33-37
Teachings on Forgiveness Matthew 5:38-42
Teachings on Loving ones Enemies Matthew 5:43-44
Teachings on Giving Matthew 6:1-4
Teachings on Prayer Matthew 6:5-6
imperative commands in Matthew 5:

  • Rejoice and be glad
    • v. 12
  • let your light shine before others
    • v.16
  • do not think He came to abolish the Law or the Prophets - but to fulfill them
    • v. 17
  • be reconciled with your brother before bringing a gift to the altar
    • vv. 23-24
  • settle matters quickly with anyone who wishes to sue you
    • vv. 25-26
  • if your eye offends you, gouge it out and throw it away; if your hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it away
    • vv. 29-30
  • do not swear an oath at all; let your yes be yes and no be no
    • vv. 34-37
  • do not resist an evil person; turn your other cheek to anyone who slaps you on the right
    • v. 39
  • give your cloak also, to anyone who wants to sue you and take your tunic
    • v. 40
  • if anyone forces you to go one mile, go two
    • v. 41
  • give to who asks you; don't turn away from who wants to borrow from you
    • v. 42
  • love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
    • v. 44
  • be perfect
    • v. 48
 
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Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

What Jesus says is working for money and serving God is not possible. Yes I am saying if you work for a paycheck and you say you serve God, you are disobeying what Jesus says. Jesus says...in Luke 12:22-34

Do Not Worry or Be Fearful
And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what he shall eat; neither for the body, what he shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take thought for the rest?

To explain Luke 12:22-26
The ravens don’t have jobs or houses, yet God provides everything they need, aren’t you worth much more than these creatures? And who can add more years to themselves? Or there life? Why worry about such things when you can’t even do anything about the least of all these? (Food, shelter, clothes).

Luke 12:27-31 (Continued)
Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek first the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

I believe Jesus makes it very clear on what we need to do as Christians, stop serving money (stop working for money, quit your job) stop worrying where your going to get your next meal, or where you are going to sleep, Jesus says the world worry’s about such things, you are not supposed to be a part of this world. Stop relying on money, using money is ok, but working for it is not. Stop putting your faith in a worldly system and preach the Gospel full time, listen to Jesus.

The second to last verse Luke 12:33
Sell what you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Do you see what Jesus is saying? Every single Christian did what Jesus commands. There was no special person who didn’t sell all and leave everything, preaching the gospel 24/7. Your job is to preach his word, and he gives you the essentials you need. 1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. Jesus was never a carpenter the only verse you can see is his father being a carpenter in Mark 6:3. Jesus started preaching when he was 12 Year’s old according to scripture, in Luke 42-49. He never served (work for) money, he did use money though, his treasurer was Judas (the one who betrayed him).


Definition of Forsaketh according to Jesus is found in all the gospels, but I am going to use Mark 10:17-21 for this claim.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

The definition is clear consistently through all 4 of the gospels. The Word of God has spoken and commands this as a requirement to inherit eternal life with him. Jesus Christ has the ultimate authority in the Bible, the Old Testament does not teach us how to live as Christ did, that is why the New Testament (Jesus Christ’s teachings more importantly) applies to us, hence forth New Testament. Notice Jesus told him he LACKED one thing, now you can say this only applies to the rich man, but that is a lie. It applies to everyone that truly loves Jesus. In the rest of the scripture, right around Luke 14:33 Jesus addressed the entire multitude of people, rich and poor, women, children all kinds of people. Here it is.


-The Cost of Discipleship- Luke 14:25-27
And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33-Acts 2:45-47 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man hath need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33 again, Matthew 13:44-46

-The Treasure and the Goodly Pearl-
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

These are the commands of Jesus in a parable, the man sold everything to inherit eternal life. Now I have heard the arguments against what Jesus commands, the biggest one is people want to point to Paul and say he has a higher authority than God in the flesh and they say, “Paul worked as a tent maker!” So sense he worked for money it’s ok. Really? I would recommend that you only follow Jesus and what he says. But let’s take a look at this argument.

Acts 18:3-5
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by there occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again. Now this passage does not say he labored (worked, served) for money, all it says was he was creating tents, even if he did work for money, he left to preach to the Gentiles after he realized he was in the wrong.

Another passage of scripture people use as a excuse to not obey Jesus is....
1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

This is taking scripture out of context, the title of this section of verses is called...
-Provisions for Widows-
Verses 5:1-10 the last verse says “Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she has longed strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Let’s compare Jesus teachings with 1 Timothy 5:10, then we can understand what 5:8 means.
“Brought up children”...- Matthew 18:5 “And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.”’ “If she hath lodged strangers”...Luke 14:13 “But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. (The first Christians utilized money to rent a place or stayed at someone else’s place if invited in. Matthew 10:14). “If she have washed the saints’ feet”-Matthew 22:32 “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (I believe this applies to every follower of Jesus, that we should strengthen each other). “If she have relieved the afflicted,”...Mark 16:17 “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.”

This explains that Timothy was simply obeying Jesus Christ’s commands, including the widows. Now 1 Timothy 5:8 is saying work as in working to build Jesus Christ’s kingdom, working serving Jesus and obeying his commands. When you deny the faith, what it is really saying is your denying that God will provide all your needs when preaching the word. If you don’t have faith in what Jesus says, how in the world do you believe he’s going to resurrect you from the dead? There is no room for Luke warm Christians. You either listen to Jesus or you will be grinded to powder. Jesus says they would reject the corner stone of his teachings. This is essentiall and required by every follower of Christ. FORSAKETH ALL!

I hope God leads me to at least one individual that’s hears his word.

Mark 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Sipsey

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When one properly understands that God is the owner of all, and then realizes that they are simply “stewards” of all He has provided, then one has indeed given up their “ownership” of all their possessions. To take it literally is to misconstrue this particular doctrine.
 
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When one properly understands that God is the owner of all, and then realizes that they are simply “stewards” of all He has provided, then one has indeed given up their “ownership” of all their possessions. To take it literally is to misconstrue this particular doctrine.
Brother where is your scripture to back this claim up?
 

posthuman

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Acts 18:3-5
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by there occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again. Now this passage does not say he labored (worked, served) for money, all it says was he was creating tents, even if he did work for money, he left to preach to the Gentiles after he realized he was in the wrong.
he didn't leave Corinth in v. 5 he left the synagogue.
he worked during the week and preached the gospel in the synagogues on sabbath days ((when ppl were gathered there)).
he didn't leave the synagogues because he was convicted he had been sinning all week long by working to provide for his own needs - so as not to be a burden on Aquila and Priscilla ((vv. 1-2)). he left the synagogue because the Jews there rejected the gospel, opposed its teaching, and blasphemed. he went next door instead, to the home of a gentile who worshiped God.
this had literally zero to do with Paul working with his hands to earn his own bread.
the text gives no indication whatsoever that Paul changed any habit found in vv. 1-5 apart from this single revision: no longer presenting the gospel on sabbath days in the house of worship of the Jews, but rather, in the house of a gentile worshiper.

to put it in your own words:


This is taking scripture out of context
and it's more than that -- it's adding things to the scripture which are not found in it, and which are contrary to it, upon inspection.
 

NotmebutHim

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Well Dino, you did ask for it!

Now we know................. :cool:
 

posthuman

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When one properly understands that God is the owner of all, and then realizes that they are simply “stewards” of all He has provided, then one has indeed given up their “ownership” of all their possessions. To take it literally is to misconstrue this particular doctrine.
yes


Another passage of scripture people use as a excuse to not obey Jesus is....
1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


i'd like to know how i'm supposed to righteously provide for the family and the living creatures God has entrusted me with if i get rid of all possessions and refuse to work.. ?

Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer,
but must work, doing something useful with their own hands,
that they may have something to share with those in need.
(Ephesians 4:28)
 
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he didn't leave Corinth in v. 5 he left the synagogue.
he worked during the week and preached the gospel in the synagogues on sabbath days ((when ppl were gathered there)).
he didn't leave the synagogues because he was convicted he had been sinning all week long by working to provide for his own needs - so as not to be a burden on Aquila and Priscilla ((vv. 1-2)). he left the synagogue because the Jews there rejected the gospel, opposed its teaching, and blasphemed. he went next door instead, to the home of a gentile who worshiped God.
this had literally zero to do with Paul working with his hands to earn his own bread.
the text gives no indication whatsoever that Paul changed any habit found in vv. 1-5 apart from this single revision: no longer presenting the gospel on sabbath days in the house of worship of the Jews, but rather, in the house of a gentile worshiper.


to put it in your own words:



and it's more than that -- it's adding things to the scripture which are not found in it, and which are contrary to it, upon inspection.
Ok regardless of what reason he lef
yes






i'd like to know how i'm supposed to righteously provide for the family and the living creatures God has entrusted me with if i get rid of all possessions and refuse to work.. ?

Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer,
but must work, doing something useful with their own hands,
that they may have something to share with those in need.
(Ephesians 4:28)
Matthew 10:37- He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Jesus says love him above all. You have more brothers and sisters everywhere that will love you just as much.

Matthew 10:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; not yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Only the world worry’s about such things.
 

posthuman

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This is taking scripture out of context, the title of this section of verses is called...
-Provisions for Widows-
Verses 5:1-10 the last verse says “Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she has longed strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
'titles of sections' are completely man-made interjections into the scripture. they are not part of the Bible.

did you notice verse 4 while you were mining this chapter?

But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.
(1 Timothy 5:4)

could you explain how a widow's children or grandchildren are supposed to first of all put their religion into practice ((according to the scripture)) by tending to the needs of their family, if according to what you are teaching me, truly putting your religion into practice means having no means whatsoever to actually see to the needs of your family, because you've gotten rid of them and quit your job?

i'm kinda at a loss to reconcile this..
 

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Name 10 things Jesus commands you to do.
Hi JesusOnly777, first off, I see that you are pretty new around here, so welcome to CChat :)

Here are my "ten".

Matthew 5
16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

39 Do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Matthew 6
33 Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Matthew 7
1 Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

12 However you want people to treat you, so treat them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Mark 15
15 Jesus said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."

Luke 12
33 Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys.
34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

John 7
24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.​

~Deut
 

posthuman

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Only the world worry’s about such things.
then why do you worry about whether 'living a quiet life, working with your hands' is in-and-of-itself sinful ?

we urge you, brothers and sisters, to do so more and more, and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody.
(1 Thessalonians 4:10-12)
 
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'titles of sections' are completely man-made interjections into the scripture. they are not part of the Bible.

did you notice verse 4 while you were mining this chapter?

But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.
(1 Timothy 5:4)

could you explain how a widow's children or grandchildren are supposed to put their religion into practice ((according to the scripture)) by tending to the needs of their family, if according to what you are teaching me, truly putting your religion into practice means having no means whatsoever to actually see to the needs of your family, because you've gotten rid of them and quit your job?

i'm kinda at a loss to reconcile this..
They first Christians didn’t have weekly paychecks to buy food or clothes, it says
Acts 2:45-46
And sold there possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man hath need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added.

God will provide everything you need, if you just put your faith in him completely, without relying on a system to support you.