Not By Works

You almost had it right, but I am glad you agreed. I just had to IGNORE one by the name of YourTruthGod. We have caught him in All Kinds of Major Contradictions of WHAT GOD HAS SAID, so your little common misinterpretation is a very minor one. I gave him a multitude of chances, not just two, like Paul had said:

Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.


I gave him more chances, because I thought he was getting close to coming to the Knowledge of the Truth. But I finally had to put him on my IGNORE LIST to not continue to give him additional opportunities to slander the TRUTH. So watch out for him, he is always twisting the Truth trying to make it fit his FALSE DOCTRINES.

By the WAY, welcome aboard this THREAD, that was started by dcontroversal. Most of the regulars here are pretty good eggs, and you will find them interesting to discuss the Bible with.

Okay buddy. Let us know

Amen....his drivel and working for self imposed revelation = no understanding....just more cainology and false religion

Hahhaha hahhaha another statement of ignorance....wow man.....you don't much hey

Another stupid statement by a deceiver that claims special revelation....= being a liar

Yep...he already lied and claimed special revelation and said he can do enough good to be saved....also lying about being here under a different name which he gave away yesterday when he referenced this thread in a past tense application that someone new would not say.....he has already made the ignore list of several people for his foolishness

You stupid, you stupid, you stupid. Liar, liar, liar, liar.

Thats like me being banned from a building because I did something which was against the rules. So i change my name so I can get it.

Or on the other hand, I go to the bar every night, and get drunk as a skunk, drive him impaired (its only a mile away) and every night am blessed that I have not killed anyone, then go to church and preach hellfire and brimstone and how everyojne should be holy!!

Its called hypocrisy

There is a lot a risk
Whether you agree with YTG or not, if truth is not the objective, everything else is lost.

Which is more important, being open and loving or identifying who has the "right" doctrine?
Groups who focus on the right doctrine over openness and loving do not last long.
Our relationship with God is supreme, and our walk comes next.
Out of these, two things flows, the Holy Spirit and life.

There are many reasons for coming to a thread and participating. For me it is just to witness
and share and then understand my brothers and sisters and love my enemies.

Clearly the line here is largely in favour of we are "safe" and dare not anyone upset our cosy
feeling, because they must be the enemy.

I think I have understood the basic precepts and emotional heart reasons for ending up here,
and why there is consternation at my not just accepting the obvious reality we are lost sinners
pointing only to Jesus. My breast plate of righteousness and shield of faith work very well.

I am sure if I return, the same people will be doing largely the same things and swinging the
sword lol. And this is probably the point. If Christ called us to stay frozen here is this mode
of life, heaven will be a very strange place.

God bless

The promise to Abraham was before he did anything. AND before he was circumcised

Unfortunately this is dcon's tactic.
It tests the principle of turning the other cheek.

Those who stay here continually love his approach and this polarisation view of faith.
The enemy over there, a me fighting as a warrior against the hordes.

He even uses this imagery. But the failure is people like this will always create these
images and not know why they are failing or the gospel is so much more than this,
a message to the heart, of love, resolution, victory and overcoming.

And once you end up in this fighting mindset, you will probably never get out of it.
But it belongs to the conspiracy theorist, the world is doomed, go to the bunker, we must
hide world view, normally well armed to defend their rights.

So one has to let it go. It is not our fight, and dcon can win in his own imagination, which
is why he is here and not evangelising on the streets or stuck into a church and living
community of believers. And if you want to find spiritual reality, start by learning to love
your neighbour and your brothers and sisters in Christ who you actually know.

Yes, And he was declaired righteous many years before he offered his son. True faith will work. Thus works will follow true faith.

Mere belief will hesitate if it works at all.. If your not trusting the one you are following. You will be a follower in kind only (as james said, they were hearers of the word only not doers)

Well there goes mr holier than though again with his attacks against other people.. One must wonder why he is here and not out witnessingn in the streets. (He has been here more than DCON lately)


Talk about a hypocrite!

It’s actually about the PROMISE

11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yetuncircumcised.

It was an outward sign of the covenant which was based wholly on God’s promise

Further, it’s the TRUE BAPTISM that washes, purified, cleans

Not circumcision


If what you are saying were true, then romans 4 would be in error.

But Romans 4 clearly says that Abraham is the father of both.

And the promise, which cane before circumcision, was clearly God’s declaration that Abraham would be the father of many nations

James also dealt with those who ahould have done what was in their ability to do ( when the situation presented itself) but didn’t always do it.

Please forgive me, I have only been back after a long absence and I see that there is 4738 pages and I think my past two responses regarding Abraham and the promise was from a post from maybe even the first page!!

yes, His whole letter is an attempt to get people to test their own faith, their patence, to take a look inside. Am I hearer only. Do I lack patience, Do I lack wisdom.

Its sad that people have twisted james to mean things james never even thought ot when he wrote his wonderful letter

Its ok.. We welcome you and any wisdom you may bring us, share in our fellowship.

Ps. Your post about abraham and the promise is with a current member although I can no longer see what he posts unless I open all posts