Did mis-treatment of woman begin with Adam?

Curb your bombastic, narrow-minded dogmatism. Here's what the plain text says:

Genesis 3:14-19 (KJV)
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

As you can see, the serpent is cursed and the ground is cursed. That word is not used in reference to the man or the woman.

It's not possible those 6 days written on the tablet by God were not literal days?
It would not be the only time in the bible God was not being literal when He was making a statement.

Our intellect is further away from Gods intellect then an ant is to us.

It's a real possibility that God did not want to get into literal weeks, months, years or centuries regarding creation duration. Why He may have used figurative days (if He did) may be beyond us, and God is certainly not obligated to explain to us why.

You really don't khow for sure, and neither does anyone else, unless God has given them special revelation in prayer.
I am content to wait until I get to heaven to find out.

One example does not make a rule. Offhand, I can't think of another example from Scripture. Comments like, "dont (sic) you read the Bible?" are personal, inflammatory, and unnecessary. You were calling out my sarcasm last week. Mirror, mirror....


In the examples you provided, they didn't. So what's your point?


Not having enough strength to physically overpower men does not necessarily mean that women are mistreated. Domestic abuse rates in modern America are about equal.


This isn't about me, and it isn't about you. It's about your post, in which you focused on how women feel about their "mistreatment" when several of those situations had nothing to do with mistreatment by men at all. You could have noted many examples of actual mistreatment by men, and your post would have carried more weight.

And whats wrong with asking how women FEEL about their mistreatment?
Like for example, dinahs fiance being murdered by her own brothers. Its noted that Hamesh LOVED Dinah.

What about the woman who had the discharge of blood for 12 years. Nobody would even touch her. She went to Jesus, touched his cloak and was healed immediately.

What about Leah,given no choice about her marriage to Jacob, who loved Rachel, even while she gave him many sons and each time she gave birth, desperately sought his love.

Or Hannah, also being a second wife, not being able to have children, and being mocked by the first wife, and told she was drunk by her own husband for even praying. Obviously he had no clue how she felt.

Lot saying to the wicked sodomites here have my daughters, they havent known a man. Gee thanks dad.

The woman caught in adultery, sure she was a sinner, but then so were all the men that were wanting to stone her. She was called put in public, but what about the guy she was caught with?

What about the woman who had the discharge of blood for 12 years. Nobody would even touch her. She went to Jesus, touched his cloak and was healed immediately.

Certain women, 3 which is used to indicate the end of the matter could of been all woman 3 mentioned gathered around Jesus ministering to him as they would a husband . it would seem a parable to represent new creatures male and female .with the female us to represent the whole church.

He offered a parable as to how we could understand the parable using the seed and the soil but then seemed to comfort the woman and help them in their anxieties or perhaps miss the meaning hid .

I don't think it was so much that no one would touch her as with leprosy or stay away from women. Leprosy would seem to used for a different purpose other than this parable using the touch of a woman .The touch as the kind where virtue is challenged. Time and time again he used as a parable for "my time is not yet full come" mankind were anxious was he the Christ or should they look for another. The parable comforted them

It would seem Christ spoke or prophesied to her heart, it moved her to touch Christ in a way where he felt virtue go out. The wedding consummation when we all receive of new incorruptible bodies was still ahead . A way of asking the creature to slow down spread the joy go out and spread the good news..... could be tomorrow. .

Luke8 :45-48 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

The faith (Christ's) that made her whole; body soul and spirit to go in peace. was the faith that came from hearing God it moved her as Christ worked in her to both will and do his good pleasure.

It would be used in the same way not touch me before the time is used below also . Ruth used to describe the church was a virtuous woman

Ruth 2:9Let thine eyes be on the field that they do reap, and go thou after them: have I not charged the young men that they shall not touch thee? and when thou art athirst, go unto the vessels, and drink of that which the young men have drawn.

If you got no clue how a woman feels, when shes mistreated, ask her.
Ask her anytime shes crying.

Jesus himself took the 6 days of creation as earthly 24h days. So which reason do we have to doubt that 24h days were meant for creation, too?

Sorry, actually you are wrong all those womens feelings are relevant to God. Its your coldhearted opinion that is irrelevant here.

Huh? I thought I knew the bible relatively well, but this caught me. Where does it say about the 6 days and 24 days?

What's wrong is that it is putting the emphasis on the reaction, rather than on the initial action. Sin is not sin because someone feels that it's sin. Sin is sin because it is inherently contrary to God's will.

The woman with the discharge was not "mistreated". She had a medical condition that, in that culture, rendered her untouchable.

Dinah was raped. It's irrelevant how the man felt about her, and her feelings about him being killed in retaliation do not constitute mistreatment of her.

Leah was mistreated by her father. He could have spoken up at any time in the first seven years, as could she. Instead he pawned her off to a man who had no interest in her. Jacob is not at fault.

Hannah's prayer was misinterpreted by Eli, not by her husband. She responded appropriately, and he relented. No issue. How the other wife treated her is not an issue of mistreatment "of women" but of one woman by another woman.

Lot's actions were foolish; no argument there.

The woman caught in adultery was... caught in ADULTERY, punishable by death. Her feelings are irrelevant.

Overall, it seems to me that you have embraced the social justice warrior mantra regarding feelings. What's wrong with discussing it (in the context of gender relations) is that feelings are completely subjective. How any particular woman would feel in any of those situations is not a reflection only of the situation, but of her culture, experiences, and desires. Further, for the most part, the feelings are not recorded, so you are speculating as to what the women felt. That's no way to build sound doctrine.

You may have missed the "h" after "24".

Was he so annoyed, or angry, or whatever, with Eve, that it was he who set the pattern of unfair treatment of woman that has been the rule through the centuries?
Or was it the men of that era, in general, who believed that since Eve sinned first that woman needed to be dominated?

Garee, I think you're off in left field on this post, on every point you make.

The number 3 is not mentioned in the passage, and is not described anywhere in Scripture as "the end of the matter" (I think you're mixing up Deuteronomy 19:15). Nothing is said about three women. There's no parable mentioned; Jesus wasn't teaching when the woman touched her. Leprosy is not mentioned. There is no mention of Jesus speaking to her heart; He did not know she was there until she touched Him. The text records Jesus saying, "Your faith has made you well", not "My faith has made you well". Ruth is not mentioned in the passage at all.

It's nice when you happen to see connections between diverse parts of Scripture. Force-fitting connections where they don't exist is not a sound practice though.

Huh? I thought I knew the bible relatively well, but this caught me. Where does it say about the 6 days and 24 days?

Numbers do have spiritual meaning attached to them in parables . The word three denotes or when used three times is used to represent the end of matter many times in that way, You just settle for a different kind of a understanding. Those who literalize seek a different kind of understand .I would say less rich. Search for the understanding in the parables as for silver or gold. A person could find a pearl of great price the price of the gospel .We are to buy that spiritual truth and not sell it for a literal interpretation, a person could miss the mark .

I don't think any thing in the Bible is put there by accident. Every word has a meaning attached. Some have two meaning. One hidden the(the hidden Manna) other revealed the literal. We walk by faith the unseen not looking to the temporal things..

Luke 8 King James Version (KJV)And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:

Mentioning three names to represent all who heard the parables. Three represents much people the end of the matter. The word virtue is the key to understanding the parable

A series of parables of God spreading his seed moving men as sign . Signs point back to the unseen work .

The key is God worked in the woman by faith giving faith she previously did not have to her to move her to touch him as a sign that faith was working in the woman (not of herself.) She did not touch herself ..Virtue went out, it was before the time for the wedding

Numbers are not mentioned in the passage about the woman whose discharge was healed... at all. Therefore they are irrelevant to understanding that passage. The three women mentioned earlier in the chapter have nothing to do with this story.