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Hungry,

It is not a disc we live on. The world is a perfect square. It is 24,856.83612 statute miles long by 24,856.83612 statute miles wide; with the four points being the directions north, south, east, and west.

one line of longitude = 180° of latitude
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
1.15077945 statute miles × 60 nautical miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
69.046767 statute miles × 180° of latitude = 12,428.41806 statute miles = one line of longitude
12,428.41806 statute miles + 12,428.41806 statute miles = 24,856.83612 statute miles
length = Longitude 0° line (southwest) + Longitude 180° line (northeast) = 24,856.83612 statute miles
width = Longitude 090° W line (northwest) + Longitude 090° E line (southeast) = 24,856.83612 statute miles

The reason you cannot see the sun continually at all times is because the word of God says that the greater light to rule the day.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:16

Remember, the sun is only passing above the world over the north around 93 miles up. Then it rises and goes down only slightly above that while it goes over the south. It is just like the light of a buoy or a beacon that is used by ships to navigate. Those lights have a range; meaning how far they can be seen away from. A common range for those lights is two miles. That means that from over two miles away, you cannot see the light with the naked eye. But if you get your binoculars, from a few miles further away than that, you can see it. Why? Because the light from the bulb in that navigation aid only shines so far. In the case of the sun, which is around 93 miles up as it passes over the north, the reason you don’t see it’s light in Israel while it is passing north of (known as south of) Arizona, is because just like the navigation aid, you can only see the light for so far. And you wouldn’t even be able to see it from Arizona while it is passing north of (known as south of) there (or would just be able to see a very small light going by the horizon around June 20), if the firmament didn’t bring it up into view (causing it to have a very high elevation angle in the sky); because it is so low to the ground, compared to the breadth of the world. So that is how the sun shines light much further away from itself than it otherwise would be able to do (without God commanding it), if it were not being raised by the firmament into your view of it in the sky. Even then, how high it is raised, obviously it’s light is only seen then when you can see it in the sky (and just before and after seeing it on the horizon at sunrise and sunset). That is why you don’t see the sun across the whole world at all times.

And then posthuman, your “contradictions, deceit, willful blindness, ignorance, lies and misdirection” is beginning to be seen even clearer in your post #170. The answer is because the moon does give it’s own light; just as the word of God says.

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1 Corinthians 15:41

And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Revelation 8:12

And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. Ezekiel 32:7

For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isaiah 13:10

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:29

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Mark 13:24

Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. Isaiah 30:26

The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. Isaiah 60:19,20

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21:23

And yes, just like the firmament raises the sun and the stars up from the horizon to be seen, much longer (and if at all) than they otherwise would be able to be seen, it also raises the (view of the) moon up from the horizon for you to be able to see it when you do – even during the day if it is not drownded out by the light of the sun.

And PennEd,

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1 Corinthians 15:41

That means the light from the moon, that is different (a different glory) than the light of the sun, cancels out the radiation (heat) of the sun faster than it goes on it’s own (in the moon shade). That is why it is cooler in the moonlight, than in the moon shade.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

So KnowMe, posthuman, Dino246, and Hungry, continue on with your jokes, your hatred of the truth, and therefore your misdirection. I will continue to believe in the truth that shines from the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ.

Glory to God.
 
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On December 20, 1928 George H. Wilkins and Carl B. Eielson flew from Deception Island, Antarctica, due claimed south out to Latitude 71° 20’ S; and then came back. Because the lying latitude and longitude system of navigation used today doesn’t take into effect the rising and going down of the sun, nor account for the firmament going down to rest at the ends of the earth, the latitude and longitude of Deception Island is not Latitude 62° 58’ 22.19” S Longitude 060° 38’ 59.99” W; where it is claimed to be. It is really around Latitude 79.4728° S Longitude 090° W, in that lying system of latitude and longitude that is used today. So on that flight that day, December 20, 1928, they flew out to around 150 statute miles from the center of the northwest edge of the world; and then came back.

Deception Island, Antarctica latitude: 62° 58’ 22.19” S = 62.972830555555555555555555555556° S
22.19” ÷ 60” = 0.3698333333333333333333333333333’
58.369833333333333333333333333333’ ÷ 60’ = 0.9728305555555555555555555555556°
how far out they flew latitude: 71° 20’ S = 71.333333333333333333333333333333° S
20’ ÷ 60’ = 0.3333333333333333333333333333333°
71.333333333333333333333333333333° - 62.972830555555555555555555555556° = 8.360502777777777777777777777777°
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
8.360502777777777777777777777777° × 69.046767 statute miles = 577.26568730007499999999999999995 statute miles
since the firmament represents Latitude 83° S as Latitude 66.5° S near the center of the northwest edge of the world:
66.5° - 62.972830555555555555555555555556° = 3.527169444444444444444444444444°
83° - 3.527169444444444444444444444444° = 79.472830555555555555555555555556°
90° - 79.472830555555555555555555555556° = 10.527169444444444444444444444444°
10.527169444444444444444444444444° × 69.046767 statute miles = 726.86701580007499999999999999997 statute miles
726.86701580007499999999999999997 statute miles - 577.26568730007499999999999999995 statute miles = 149.60132850000000000000000000002 statute miles

In 1939, the Germans began flying on the planes Boreas and Passat, from the ship Schwabenland, out to 35 miles from the center of the southwest edge of the world. The territory Neuschwabenland was from Latitude 69° 10’ S out to Latitude 76° 30’ S, and from Longitude Longitude 11° 30’ W to Longitude 020° 00’ E. On their own maps, they show that the farthest that they ever flew out, was to Latitude 76° S; only on the Longitude 0° line. So from where the ship Schwabenland was anchored at in early 1939, Latitude 69° 14’ S Longitude 4° 30’ W, they started flying around 467 miles out to see the southwest edge of the world; and back.

anchored Schwabenland latitude: 69° 14’ S = 69.233333333333333333333333333333° S
14’ of ÷ 60’ = 0.2333333333333333333333333333333°
how far out they flew latitude: 76° S
76° - 69.233333333333333333333333333333° = 6.766666666666666666666666666667°
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
6.766666666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 467.21645670000000000000000000002 statute miles
since the firmament represents Latitude 80° S as Latitude 66.5° S near the center of the southwest edge of the world:
69.233333333333333333333333333333° - 66.5° = 2.733333333333333333333333333333°
80° + 2.733333333333333333333333333333° = 82.733333333333333333333333333333°
90° - 82.733333333333333333333333333333° = 7.266666666666666666666666666667°
7.266666666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 501.73984020000000000000000000002 statute miles
501.73984020000000000000000000002 statute miles - 467.21645670000000000000000000002 statute miles = 34.5233835 statute miles

The position of the claimed geographical South Pole is not Latitude 90° S. It is Latitude 90° S Longitude 165° E. This is because it is based on the position of McMurdo Sound, Antarctica, Latitude 77.5° S Longitude 165° E; and claimed to be due south from there. This means that the northeast edge of the world is 438 miles past the claimed geographical South Pole; if you were to continue due claimed south from there after coming from McMurdo Sound. If you turned 15 degrees to the port after passing over the claimed geographical South Pole, the northeast edge of the world is 424 miles away; the closest distance away. In my book, I wrote how the U.S. Navy flew a plane from McMurdo Sound, out to 68 miles from the northeast edge of the world; and then back via the claimed geographical South Pole, on January 13, 1956.

1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
any longitude line = 180° of latitude
Longitude 165° line = 180° × 69.046767 statute miles = 12,428.41806 statute miles
c ÷ SinC = b ÷ SinB
c = bSinC ÷ SinB
c = 12,428.41806(Sin90) ÷ Sin75
c = 12,428.41806 ÷ 0.9659258262890682867497431997289
c = 12,866.845177696494377208089338559 statute miles
12,866.845177696494377208089338559 statute miles - 12,428.41806 statute miles = 438.427117696494377208089338559 statute miles
c ÷ SinC = b ÷ SinB
c = bSinC ÷ SinB
c = 438.427117696494377208089338559(Sin75) ÷ Sin90
c = 423.48807592852092438623291612726 ÷ 1
c = 423.48807592852092438623291612726 statute miles

On March 6, 1956, a Soviet plane flew over Mirny Station, Antarctica, due claimed south, out to 35 miles from the center of the southeast edge of the world. Just as Latitude 76.5° S is really Latitude 90° S at the center of the southwest edge of the world, Latitude 76.5° S is really Latitude 90° S, and is the center of the southeast edge of the world; at Longitude 090° E. That day they flew around 652 miles from Mirny Station, Antarctica, Latitude 66° 33’ 5.79” S Longitude 093° 00’ 20.43” E, out to the center of the southeast edge of the world; and turned around.

Mirny Station, Antarctica latitude: 66° 33’ 5.79” S = 66.551608333333333333333333333333° S
5.79” ÷ 60” = 0.0965’
33.0965’ ÷ 60’ = 0.551608333333333333333333333333°
how far out they flew latitude: 76° S
76° S - 66.551608333333333333333333333333° S = 9.448391666666666666666666666667°
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
9.448391666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 652.38089793307500000000000000002 statute miles
since the firmament represents Latitude 80° S as Latitude 66.5° S near the center of the southeast edge of the world:
66.551608333333333333333333333333° - 66.5° = 0.051608333333333333333333333333°
80° + 0.051608333333333333333333333333° = 80.051608333333333333333333333333°
90° - 80.051608333333333333333333333333° = 9.948391666666666666666666666667°
9.948391666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 686.90428143307500000000000000002 statute miles
686.90428143307500000000000000002 statute miles - 652.38089793307500000000000000002 statute miles = 34.5233835 statute miles

Glory to God.
Your not first to use the third nazi expedition to the anti arctic, which that alone should send up a red flag, and mainly was for sitting up of slaughtering whales for fat oil.

that expedition has been used for conspiracies about a secret nazi base where the nazis were communicating with UFO’s.
That’s been worn out for the use of conspiracies, and now here comes another the nazi expedition proves there’s a flat earth, unbelievable.

 

posthuman

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it's very weird to me that there are adults on this planet who have never actually watched the sun rise or set.

but maybe that's not true; maybe they have, but they block it out of their conscious minds, as it were, a defense mechanism, to prevent themselves from the catharsis of recognizing the light
 
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it's very weird to me that there are adults on this planet who have never actually watched the sun rise or set.

but maybe that's not true; maybe they have, but they block it out of their conscious minds, as it were, a defense mechanism, to prevent themselves from the catharsis of recognizing the light
Ah well.... what difference does it make the shape of the earth? :giggle:

I Corinthians 2:2 "For I determined not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified."
 

posthuman

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Ah well.... what difference does it make the shape of the earth? :giggle:

the sun - as well as the moon - are universally observed to appear on rising and on setting, full-size, partially obscured by the horizon.

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if a person wants to model the shape of the planet and the motion of the sun, that model has to accommodate these plain facts.
sphere model? check.
flat model? no soap.



I Corinthians 2:2 "For I determined not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified."

yes

so when someone appears with the intention to be our teacher, trying to sell their book, and purposes to know nothing among us but flat-earth, red flags appear ;)
 
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Post, are you intimating that someone would try and plant 'red-snags'???

the whole concept truly seems preposterous and childishly 'made-up'...
:):)
 

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I don't really care if someone wants to believe the Earth is flat, you're free to believe what you wish. But when you start using speech that tries to intimidate and blackmail a person and believing their view by saying things like, "You don't believe God's Word." and "You can't stand the truth" like some of these Christian flat earthers like to eventually push when they get towards the end of their arguments. That's where I have the problem. You act like an idiot when you say those things, they post up scriptures and go look, see! Flat earth.. No, it's someone interpretation of the scripture that says flat earth, and it's not even your interpretation, you're just parroting someone else's, it's not even your own revelation you're trying to share!
When you say stupid things like you can't stand the truth, that is a dumb statement. Jesus is Truth, and if you say that, you are saying I can't stand Jesus. Stop acting like a moron.

Don't let observation get in the way of a well put together youtube video with nice emotional music in the background to help lubricate the message.
 

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Hungry,

It is not a disc we live on. The world is a perfect square. It is 24,856.83612 statute miles long by 24,856.83612 statute miles wide; with the four points being the directions north, south, east, and west.
In a previous post you said that the bible says the earth is a circle and now you are saying it is a square. What is the shape, circle or square, it cannot be both.
 
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In a previous post you said that the bible says the earth is a circle and now you are saying it is a square. What is the shape, circle or square, it cannot be both.
Could it be a round square circle.
 
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huh a squircle is such a thing.
 

posthuman

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No, now the shape of the pool of light defies optical physics and doesn't match what we know by direct observation about the distribution of daylight on the planet.