a born-again Christian can never (keyword: never) lose their salvation

The bible lists 3 reasons I remember off hand that Jesus came to this earth. I will list them and ask that you contemplate how sin (transgression of the law) relates to them and how a relationship with Jesus relates to them. Jesus came to:
1) show the Father
2) Save his people FROM their sins (not in them)
3) Destroy the works of the devil

maybe this is it:

Jude:
3 Dear friends, I was busily at work writing to you about the salvation we share, when I found it necessary to write, urging you to keep contending earnestly for the faith which was once and for all passed on to God's people.
4 For certain individuals, the ones written about long ago as being meant for this condemnation, have wormed their way in - ungodly people who pervert God's grace into a license for debauchery and disown our only Master and Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.

Your number2 is wrong

Number 2 should be to save people from the PENALTY of sin (the curse of the law)
If you do not get this right, everything else will crash and burn.

Matthew 1:21 " and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people FROM their sins.

A born again can loss his salvation if he or she did not guide his salvation with fear & trembling. If a born again place his hand on the plague and look back he or she is not qualify for d kingdom. If u are born again u now later go back to your sinful nature u have loss it

A born again can lose his salvation...

Hi BibletruthSOP, considering that no one was able to do that (as the people of Israel proved over and over and over again in the OT), how can the command to STOP SINNING be the Good News? What is “good” about it if no one can do it?

Thanks!

~Deut

I go with what Jesus said about this issue.

OSAS
John 10 NIV
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

John 10 AMPC
24 So the Jews surrounded Him and began asking Him, How long are You going to keep us in doubt and suspense? If You are really the Christ (the Messiah), tell us so plainly and openly.
25 Jesus answered them, I have told you so, yet you do not believe Me [you do not trust Me and rely on Me]. The very works that I do by the power of My Father and in My Father’s name bear witness concerning Me [they are My credentials and evidence in support of Me].
26 But you do not believe and trust and rely on Me because you do not belong to My fold [you are no sheep of Mine].
27 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are One.
31 Again the Jews brought up stones to stone Him.
32 Jesus said to them, My Father has enabled Me to do many good deeds. [I have shown many acts of mercy in your presence.] For which of these do you mean to stone Me?

a born-again Christian can never lose their salvation

to illustrate: a child can ask "what does born mean?", or "what does being physically born mean?" even though the child is already physically born, in the same way, just because a Christian can ask "what does receive mean?" just because of the mere difficulty in understanding it, and nothing else. Even with confusion in terminologies, Christians can still be saved.

if a child forgot his/her physical birthday, does that mean the child was never physically born to begin with? that's absurd. The same way, even if Christians forgot the day of their salvation, they can still be saved

for a married couple, if they are unable to make the vow the same way they did at the wedding, does that mean that they cease to be married? Definitely not, since that's not "grounds for divorce" and God hates divorce anyway. The same way, even if you are unable to pray the sinner's prayer like you did on the day of salvation you can still be saved.

if there's fights and arguments in marriage, does that mean that the married couple cease to be married? Again, for the same reason that you will have ups and downs in your walk with Jesus, but still, you can still be saved.

if a seedling bear no fruit, does that mean that ... ok, you get my point, it takes time to bear fruits, but still, you can still be saved.

any more illustrations will be more than welcomed in this thread, thank you

Hi again Agbarogi, I have one more thought along the same lines. In John 6, Jesus tells us this:


So, in summary, Jesus tells us: ALL that the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and ... of ALL that He has given Me, I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day.

If those of us who have been drawn and given to Jesus by His Father can lose our salvation and be lost forever then, again, do you think Jesus was wrong when He told us what He did in John 6, because He tells us plainly that He loses NONE who are His

Also, if you believe that someone who is truly "born again" (IOW, not a CINO) can lose his/her salvation, then how can that belief be reconciled with what Jesus tells us in the passage above from John 6?

Thanks again!

~Deut

All these verses are conditional "everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life" . The discussion is what if the beholding/believing stops (understanding that believing means obeying)? "beholds" means now, "believes in him" means now.

All these verses are conditional "everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life". The discussion is what if the beholding/believing stops (understanding that believing means obeying)? "beholds" means now, "believes in him" means now.

Salvation is a GIFT OF GOD and he only CALLS us to salvation <--Those he called he saved and justified

Practically speaking I have seen and experience it there are those that got saved but along the road they felt they cannot continue they yeld to d temptation of the devil they want to enjoy d pleasure of sin

The issue, if this is about OSAS/Eternal security, is what if a free will person stops hearing His voice and listens to Satans voice, and/or stops following Jesus. Watch and pray.

All these verses are conditional "everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life" . The discussion is what if the beholding/believing stops (understanding that believing means obeying)? "beholds" means now, "believes in him" means now.

Practically speaking I have seen and experience it there are those that got saved but along the road they felt they cannot continue they yeld to d temptation of the devil they want to enjoy d pleasure of sin

You have to explain why people lose faith in someone who NEVER EVER lets them down.

You lose faith in losers, people who always fail you. People who never are there when you need them. If thatt who you think God is, you have major problems.