Not By Works

Nobody will be sinless this side of heaven. Christians will be free from defiant rebellion against God however. Anyone in that behavior will not get in to the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Read the following verse, it says the Corinthians USED TO do that but now they were sanctified and purified of that, proving its not impossible pie in the sky.

I hope I dont know whats coming next, I hope that what is coming next is not equivocating sins unto death to sins not unto death. Such a biblical distinction exists, in both testaments too: Numbers 15:28-30 1 John 5:16 & many others.
This will probably be just me using up the skin on my fingers by typing this, but I will still give an illustration in case you or someone else reading havent heard of this before, but I suspect you already have:

Stubbing your toe and letting out a curse word is not sinning willfully, or unto death as John says. But planning a robbery IS a sin unto death and willful. Its a heinous act that takes a lot of time to plan so its not just done accidentally.

There is that difference. But I know that eternal security believers often reject all such biblical distinctions to hold on to their doctrine. They quote James that says broke one law broke them all, while ignoring the other verses.
All James is saying is that you only need to violate the law of God once to be considered a "law breaker" and under the curse of the law. from which Jesus came to set us free from

Great.....another sinless, I help JESUS keep myself saved religionist salvation loser.......wow......................

^ ^ Inspired by Dcon

Did you say this about me?

First thing I said in my previous post was "Nobody will be sinless this side of heaven". I also said earlier I reject the premise of helping Jesus save me. Wanna talk about honesty? Need a mirror?

This is the danger of once saved always saved in display. Brings in esoteric bible interpretation mixed in with a freedom to continue in sin because "Jesus paid it all" while denying the very thing. Obviously lip service is paid to "a true born again believer would not do this, a true born again believer will fight sin" but what we are seeing in the churches all over the planet where this doctrine reigns is the opposite effect. WHEN does the sin stop? That is my rhetorical question.

Didnt take long for me to be falsely branded, just like Macabeus said happened to him few pages ago. I will not be discussing with you anymore or will be responding, dont want to get dragged into similar drama play.

God bless you and show you the way and hopefully you start preaching for righteousness. I know many who have left the OSAS group

I just believe His own are saved to the uttermost as the KJV says.

(John 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.)

H.A. Ironside has some very good args in regards to "Eternal Security of the Believer" or OSAS, but I already understood "security" well before reading any of his writings.

It is ridiculous to believe that JESUS can save someone at their worst and then NOT be able to keep them saved after having paid the entire sin debt of the world...it is rather ignorant to say the least.

What was the difference between Judas and Peter?
Peter had faith Jesus would forgive him because he knew Jesus.
Judas did not and did not understand the Kingdom.

Faith is knowing however big the mess we are in, Jesus is willing to come and work
with us. This is why salvation works, because He is saying work with me, do not give
up, I will work it through.

How deep are you willing to go to find real love? How deep do you think Jesus can
go to bring us back? There is no limit, but we need to believe that about Him.
And the cross is that statement. God did everything that can be done, but we need
to believe it because we see it, because it is literally there.

And we know He can do it, because He will change us. It takes time, it takes struggles,
failure, ups and downs but if the price is paid and the way is walked we will arrive.
It is His promise.

I think maybe you believe the lost who have given up are still saved.
Nope. They have made their choice, and this is the eternal division between the elect
who know the essence of love and cleansed heart and those who walk away broken
and lost.

I can't even imagine being in a situation where a person would be doubting their salvation to the end. Do they go around on tippy toes in case they stumble and lost "it".

You seem to not know what I believe.
Maybe ask before making an assumption.
The lost are not saved.
The broken who seek are saved?

Peter had faith that Jesus would save him?
Bible verse to back this up please.

You wont find it?
He fled in tears, denied him.
HAD TO BE RESTORED,

Peter do you Agape me?
What was his response?
Truth is you do not know the elect.
If you did then you are God and playing God.
Given you are not then don't play games with people's lives.
You will answer for this.

You need to understand people and where they are at.
You talk the talk but I think you are not willing to walk the walk with what you preach.

That's why I don't think you are PJ.

Your posts make me very sad.
No love or compassion.

I can't even imagine being in a situation where a person would be doubting their salvation to the end. Do they go around on tippy toes in case they stumble and lost "it".

His mannerisms, what he says, how he states it and the verbiage he uses......indicate heavily who he is bro.......regardless.....his doctrine falls short of biblical.....

Love and truth go hand in hand......sometimes the truth cuts and divides asunder even though it is full of love!!

On one hand I see it, but on the other I don't.
That's based on behind the scenes communication.
I will leave it at that.
Love is the key, communication of the love is the key.
Walking the mile and beyond is the purpose we should all seek to do.

Many here don't want to walk the mile but would rather beat them, kick them and then more.

A very sad reality is that belivers shoot the wounded rather than nurse them.

I don't often get angry but at this moment in time I'm very angry.
Catching up with posts and responding to some.

How dare anyone sit on the judgement seat that Jesus sits on.

They accuse us of easy believeism, we can sin all we want and still be saved.
Quote the biggies like adultery and so on.

Yes I believe OSAS, perseverance, saved by and kept by God.
As a result I obviously believe I can shag any other women I want and still be saved and so can others.

My blood is boiling at the moment.

Sorry for the spout.

The concept of true love is perveted today bro.

Love is not a feeling but an act of one's will. It's called AGAPE.
Not self seeking.

Nobody will be sinless this side of heaven.

Christians will be free from defiant rebellion against God however. Anyone in that behavior will not get in to the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Read the following verse, it says the Corinthians USED TO do that but now they were sanctified and purified of that, proving its not impossible pie in the sky.